ESL people do not despair!!

AAAAAA · 7 Dec 2004, 10:06 PM

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i heard that a lot of people who's doing esl ending up getting UAI of around 95 (providing they are really good at math and science)so i think that if you just try your best, even if you are in esl you might still beat some cocky fools in advanced (or ext 1 and 2) in term of UAI.!!

**Survivor39** · 7 Dec 2004, 10:29 PM

who's saying they are despaired??

AAAAAA · 8 Dec 2004, 7:40 AM

some of the esl dudes in our year think they have no chance of getting high UAI so they just give up and jig everyday

meLoncoLLie · 9 Dec 2004, 2:27 PM

I know that this family friend's son did ESL, and he ended up with a TER of 98+

Isn't a band 6 in ESL actually better than a band 4/5 in Standard? (hardly anyone gets band 5 in standard anyway...)

jzi · 4 Nov 2005, 11:08 AM

dont think u nd u 2 prove dat u haf been in australia for less den 5 yrs..
coz.. ma friend studied in australia since yr 4 n she can still do esl... = =""

MarsBarz · 4 Nov 2005, 11:37 AM

Right.

Two years ago some guy at my school got a UAI of 100. One of his subjects was ESL. So don't give us that misinformed bullshit.

1% of ESL students get band 6. So do your research before posting such crap.

And why can't you do esl and be a cocky bastard? I am.

MarsBarz · 4 Nov 2005, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meLoncoLLie

I know that this family friend's son did ESL, and he ended up with a TER of 98+

Isn't a band 6 in ESL actually better than a band 4/5 in Standard? (hardly anyone gets band 5 in standard anyway...)

Um wrong.
Very few people have ever received a band 6 in standard. Lots of people get band 5's pff...
But anyway, ESL is superior to standard in terms of scaling.

ryanscor_11 · 4 Nov 2005, 11:52 AM

do guys think that esl will be an appropriate course to do medicine...Coz i have checked with UNSW they said ESL is not recomended but this does not prevent the applicant from applying for the course.They also said that esl student might be disadvantge during the selection process.

what u guys think??????

meLoncoLLie · 4 Nov 2005, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarsBarz

Um wrong.
Very few people have ever received a band 6 in standard. Lots of people get band 5's pff...
But anyway, ESL is superior to standard in terms of scaling.

Okay cocky bastard, tell me what I got wrong?

MarsBarz · 5 Nov 2005, 8:25 AM

You claimed that hardly anyone gets a band 5 in standard which is completely false.

meLoncoLLie · 5 Nov 2005, 3:16 PM

http://boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebo...4_12_15130.htm
http://boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebo...3_12_15130.htm
http://boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebo...2_12_15130.htm
http://boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ebo...1_12_15130.htm

If you think <2% each year is a lot, then so be it.

meLoncoLLie · 5 Nov 2005, 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarsBarz

But anyway, ESL is superior to standard in terms of scaling.

Are you sure?

http://www.boredofstudies.org/scaledmeans.php

**Survivor39** · 5 Nov 2005, 10:06 PM

Let me clarify a few things

Comparing similar marks, say 85 in ESL and 85 in standard, the scaling of Standard is better. You cannot compare a Band 6 in ESL and a Band 4/5 in Standard. Bands are used to evaluate students' performance against the EXPECTED OUTCOMES of the course. Scaling is used to compare students' performance against OTHER students.

Please have a look at the BOS UAI estimation program for both courses.

ryanscor_11, I am not sure if you will be disadvantaged during the selection process for medicine. If you do well in the Interview, I think any ESL student will have a fair chance of getting accepted.

meLoncoLLie · 6 Nov 2005, 1:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Survivor39

Comparing similar marks, say 85 in ESL and 85 in standard, the scaling of Standard is better. You cannot compare a Band 6 in ESL and a Band 4/5 in Standard. Bands are used to evaluate students' performance against the EXPECTED OUTCOMES of the course. Scaling is used to compare students' performance against OTHER students.

Please have a look at the BOS UAI estimation program for both courses.

Yes, I am aware of all of that

When I said 'a band 6 in ESL is better than a band 4/5 in Standard', that was based on the results I got after I punched some figures into JUAIseek. An aligned 80 in Standard got a scaled mark of 71.4, whereas an aligned 90 in ESL got scaled to 91.4. I think, even if JUAIseek is off by a little bit, it is evident that 'a band 6 in ESL is better than a band 4/5 in Standard'.

**Survivor39** · 6 Nov 2005, 2:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meLoncoLLie

Yes, I am aware of all of that

When I said 'a band 6 in ESL is better than a band 4/5 in Standard', that was based on the results I got after I punched some figures into JUAIseek. An aligned 80 in Standard got a scaled mark of 71.4, whereas an aligned 90 in ESL got scaled to 91.4. I think, even if JUAIseek is off by a little bit, it is evident that 'a band 6 in ESL is better than a band 4/5 in Standard'.

Well... Obviously a band 6 scaled mark would be better than a Band 4/5 in standard...

Even at the performance band level, a band 6 student in any course would have achieved most, if not all of the expected outcomes.

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ryanscor_11 New Member HSC: 2006 Gender: Male Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3 Last Activity: 16 Jun 2007, 11:25 AM	Do u think do guys think that esl will be an appropriate course to do medicine...Coz i have checked with UNSW they said ESL is not recomended but this does not prevent the applicant from applying for the course.They also said that esl student might be disadvantge during the selection process. what u guys think??????

5 Nov 2005, 10:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
Survivor39 Moderator HSC: 2003 Gender: Undisclosed Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,330 Last Activity: Today, 9:37 AM	Let me clarify a few things Comparing similar marks, say 85 in ESL and 85 in standard, the scaling of Standard is better. You cannot compare a Band 6 in ESL and a Band 4/5 in Standard. Bands are used to evaluate students' performance against the EXPECTED OUTCOMES of the course. Scaling is used to compare students' performance against OTHER students. Please have a look at the BOS UAI estimation program for both courses. ryanscor_11, I am not sure if you will be disadvantaged during the selection process for medicine. If you do well in the Interview, I think any ESL student will have a fair chance of getting accepted. __________________ PhD, University of Cambridge, 09-12 MSc, UNSW, 08-09 BMedSc (Hons I), UNSW, 04-07

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AAAAAA New Member HSC: N/A Gender: Male Location: Camping in Bankstown, Sydney Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4 Last Activity: 30 May 2005, 10:22 PM	some of the esl dudes in our year think they have no chance of getting high UAI so they just give up and jig everyday

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jzi New Member HSC: 2006 Gender: Female Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3 Last Activity: 8 Nov 2005, 5:17 PM	dont think u nd u 2 prove dat u haf been in australia for less den 5 yrs.. coz.. ma friend studied in australia since yr 4 n she can still do esl... = =""

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MarsBarz Senior Member HSC: 2005 Gender: Male Location: Nsw Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 286 Last Activity: 15 Jun 2007, 12:13 PM	Right. Two years ago some guy at my school got a UAI of 100. One of his subjects was ESL. So don't give us that misinformed bullshit. 1% of ESL students get band 6. So do your research before posting such crap. And why can't you do esl and be a cocky bastard? I am.

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MarsBarz Senior Member HSC: 2005 Gender: Male Location: Nsw Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 286 Last Activity: 15 Jun 2007, 12:13 PM	You claimed that hardly anyone gets a band 5 in standard which is completely false.

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