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Old 24 Sep 2009, 12:21 PM   #16 (permalink)
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re: "Board of Studies lashed over HSC", "HSC marks out of the dark"

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Hm since all the legwork has been done now, how long would the process of getting ones marks actually be now?
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how can you find out the raw marks? do you have to email or mail the boardofstudies?
In the past, students have been required to make an application under the Freedom of Information Act 1989 (NSW) at a cost of $30.

There is more information about that process on the Board's website.

For now, this remains the only available avenue, but the Ombudsman's findings could mean that relatively straightforward applications by a student for his or her own marks will be processed without incident.

We do not yet know whether the Board will establish an informal or other procedure for requesting marks.

More information (and the Board's official position) should become available in the near future.
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Old 24 Sep 2009, 3:07 PM   #17 (permalink)
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re: "Board of Studies lashed over HSC", "HSC marks out of the dark"

I'm with the BOS on this one, even though it feels wrong that you can't get your marks and know the actual exact scaling used, I believe this is good. It could just lead to a greater number of students picking subjects because of scaling and more people complaining about the system. Transparency for the lose.
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It could just lead to a greater number of students picking subjects because of scaling and more people complaining about the system.
Why would you consider either of those things bad?
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re: "Board of Studies lashed over HSC", "HSC marks out of the dark"

lol - finally at last. but with the board now required to give students their raw marks (upon request) does it mean that NSW may stand to lose their "Smartest State" title? would that be the case? or would the marks across the state be compared to other states in terms of raw rather than scaled marks?
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Why would you consider either of those things bad?
Students being swayed to pick subjects they may not enjoy/be good at because of the fact that something else 'scales' better. It happens already but if scaling numbers became official it would be worse 10 fold.
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re: "Board of Studies lashed over HSC", "HSC marks out of the dark"

Great news. So does this potentially mean that the following can be obtained:

  • Raw Marks
  • Marking Schemes
  • Exam Scripts?
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Great news. So does this potentially mean that the following can be obtained:

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  • Marking Schemes
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Marking criteria have always been published.

The others have been available through FOI but with a fight.

This will certainly upset the apple cart when it becomes well known just how many people are actually getting less than 50% in courses - the about 1% reported now will grow to about 50% or more in some courses.
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Marking criteria have always been published.

The others have been available through FOI but with a fight.

This will certainly upset the apple cart when it becomes well known just how many people are actually getting less than 50% in courses - the about 1% reported now will grow to about 50% or more in some courses.
By marking schemes I mean the answer sheets used by markers. Its in the report
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Does that potentially mean that the board could lower the amount that they scale particular subjects because of this new thing.

If it does fuk ombudsman
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Can we find a compiled list of raw marks and their scaled equivalents anywhere? Or do we have to wait for people to post their results first? Im talking about results from past years, so that I have a rough idea for myself in a months time.
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By marking schemes I mean the answer sheets used by markers. Its in the report
As a marker that is what I am referring to - the marking criteria that we use to guide our marking and they have always been published.
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Does that potentially mean that the board could lower the amount that they scale particular subjects because of this new thing.

If it does fuk ombudsman
The board doesn't do any scaling - that is UAC.

The board aligns and if the cut-offs are known why align at all.

The board will probably continue until there is too big a stink about how much they are upping the marks and then students might actually start to get their raw marks (I wish).
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Students being swayed to pick subjects they may not enjoy/be good at because of the fact that something else 'scales' better. It happens already but if scaling numbers became official it would be worse 10 fold.
That's their prerogative. It will assist students who want to pick the highest scaling subjects.

The individual has to be responsible for their subject selection. If they want to select the highest scaling subjects, they should be free to do so, without being forced to do otherwise due to a lack of available data.
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