Raw band cut-offs. (Updated: 15/09/04)

mengqing · 1 Sep 2004, 3:20 PM

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If aligned marks are not used in determining ur UAI, what is the point of knowing them????

**Lazarus** · 1 Sep 2004, 3:27 PM

Not all students complete the HSC to obtain a UAI. Only ~30% of the HSC candidature goes on to university.

The aligned marks, when combined with the appropriate performance band descriptors, indicate what a student knows and can do. They tell you what you've achieved in 'real' terms, without comparing you to other students as is done by scaled marks and the UAI.

redruM · 1 Sep 2004, 6:26 PM

2001, maths ext1. did 49/84 (<60%) really equate to a 45 or is it a typo? it seems rather low....

Xayma · 1 Sep 2004, 10:54 PM

Well it is only about top 16% which seems about right.

**Lazarus** · 2 Sep 2004, 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redruM

2001, maths ext1. did 49/84 (<60%) really equate to a 45 or is it a typo? it seems rather low....

It's not a typo - the paper was difficult, as I recall.

You should be able to do the paper yourself and calculate your own (rough) raw mark.

Lorie · 12 Sep 2004, 6:07 AM

so what is a band 6 - a raw mark over 90 or a rank in the top 10% or a scaled mark over 90

**Lazarus** · 12 Sep 2004, 6:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorie

so what is a band 6 - a raw mark over 90 or a rank in the top 10% or a scaled mark over 90

None of the above.

It is an aligned mark of 90+, and a raw mark of X, where X is a raw mark above the band 6 cut-off for that particular course in that particular year.

The performance bands have nothing to do with percentile rankings or scaled marks.

Shifty · 15 Sep 2004, 2:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superbird

Meaning to say that if I receive 60/100 for the HSC exam for Physics, that is effectively 80/100 aligned HSC mark. ie 60% gets boosted up to 80% for physics.

is that a yes or a no??

**Lazarus** · 15 Sep 2004, 5:02 AM

Superbird's statement was correct, but ONLY with regard to 2003.

Raw band cut-offs are not fixed. They will vary each year according to the difficulty of the examination paper.

**Lazarus** · 15 Sep 2004, 6:50 AM

What they should have said was that your moderated assessment mark is set equal to (for example) the fifth examination mark.

But it's not exactly equal anyway - the two marks should be similar, if the distributions are similar.

Your exam mark will always be your exam mark. This doesn't depend on anything else.

And your HSC mark is the average of your moderated assessment mark and your exam mark.

See this thread and this flowchart.

withoutaface · 27 Sep 2004, 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Physics
100/100..............100/100

90/100..................78/100

80/100...................72/100

Is there seriously only 6 marks distinction between 80 and 90? Or is that a typo?

**Survivor39** · 27 Sep 2004, 3:14 PM

No it's not a typo I don't think. Laz triple checks everything before he posts. lol

There were probably a lot of students fell into the 70's raw and they believe a cut off there would somehow indicate their abililities in a band 5 performance, and anything lower than a 72 would be considered a band 4.

**Lazarus** · 27 Sep 2004, 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by withoutaface

Is there seriously only 6 marks distinction between 80 and 90?

That was the case in 2001, though the cut-offs obviously vary each year.

It can also go the other way - see, for example, English Extension 1, where a range of 16 raw marks was compressed to a range of 5 aligned marks.

matt_f64 · 14 Oct 2004, 8:32 AM

so Lazarus, using ur example where u get a raw mark of 56/100 for physics, and it gets aligned to 78/100 this 78 is the mark they put on ur mark sheet or wateva that the board of studies posts out to say uve completed hsc blah blah blah
then UAI people get ur raw mark of 56/100 and physics gets reasonably scaled so does it get scaled up a fair bit to the 70s? or does it get scaled down, but not scaled down as much as some crappy subjects like DT.... ?

**Lazarus** · 14 Oct 2004, 9:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt_f64

so Lazarus, using ur example where u get a raw mark of 56/100 for physics, and it gets aligned to 78/100 this 78 is the mark they put on ur mark sheet or wateva that the board of studies posts out to say uve completed hsc blah blah blah
then UAI people get ur raw mark of 56/100 and physics gets reasonably scaled so does it get scaled up a fair bit to the 70s?

Yep - exactly right.

That mark of 56/100 in Physics would have been scaled up to around 68/100.
(You can check this by entering 78 for Physics in 2003 using SAM.)

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Lazarus Bored Admin HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Location: CBD Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,517 Last Activity: 19 Nov 2009, 11:48 PM	Not all students complete the HSC to obtain a UAI. Only ~30% of the HSC candidature goes on to university. The aligned marks, when combined with the appropriate performance band descriptors, indicate what a student knows and can do. They tell you what you've achieved in 'real' terms, without comparing you to other students as is done by scaled marks and the UAI. __________________ Lazarus Et in arcadia ego...

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redruM Breathe and Stop HSC: 2003 Gender: Male Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,029 Last Activity: 30 May 2009, 2:02 AM	2001, maths ext1. did 49/84 (<60%) really equate to a 45 or is it a typo? it seems rather low.... __________________ Play-Asia.com - PS3/XBOX360/PC GAMES and ACCESSORIES

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Lazarus Bored Admin HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Location: CBD Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,517 Last Activity: 19 Nov 2009, 11:48 PM	Superbird's statement was correct, but ONLY with regard to 2003. Raw band cut-offs are not fixed. They will vary each year according to the difficulty of the examination paper. __________________ Lazarus Et in arcadia ego...

15 Sep 2004, 6:50 AM	#25 (permalink)
Lazarus Bored Admin HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Location: CBD Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,517 Last Activity: 19 Nov 2009, 11:48 PM	What they should have said was that your moderated assessment mark is set equal to (for example) the fifth examination mark. But it's not exactly equal anyway - the two marks should be similar, if the distributions are similar. Your exam mark will always be your exam mark. This doesn't depend on anything else. And your HSC mark is the average of your moderated assessment mark and your exam mark. See this thread and this flowchart. __________________ Lazarus Et in arcadia ego...

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mengqing New Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10 Last Activity: 13 Oct 2004, 10:32 PM	You can hide this advertisement by registering. If aligned marks are not used in determining ur UAI, what is the point of knowing them????

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Xayma Lacking creativity HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,886 Last Activity: 11 Jun 2009, 9:17 PM	Well it is only about top 16% which seems about right.

27 Sep 2004, 3:14 PM	#27 (permalink)
Survivor39 Moderator HSC: 2003 Gender: Undisclosed Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,205 Last Activity: Today, 12:37 PM	No it's not a typo I don't think. Laz triple checks everything before he posts. lol There were probably a lot of students fell into the 70's raw and they believe a cut off there would somehow indicate their abililities in a band 5 performance, and anything lower than a 72 would be considered a band 4. __________________ PhD, University of Cambridge, 09-12 MSc, UNSW, 08-09 BMedSc (Hons I), UNSW, 04-07

14 Oct 2004, 8:32 AM	#29 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	so Lazarus, using ur example where u get a raw mark of 56/100 for physics, and it gets aligned to 78/100 this 78 is the mark they put on ur mark sheet or wateva that the board of studies posts out to say uve completed hsc blah blah blah then UAI people get ur raw mark of 56/100 and physics gets reasonably scaled so does it get scaled up a fair bit to the 70s? or does it get scaled down, but not scaled down as much as some crappy subjects like DT.... ? __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

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