Raw band cut-offs. (Updated: 15/09/04)

matt_f64 · 14 Oct 2004, 7:53 PM

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ok im starting to understand!!! so if my exam marks for all my subjects were say 70, and they were all on the same scaling level as physics, then my aligned mark would actually be say 85 (i dont no exactly but u get the point) and then my scaled mark for the UAI would be say 68 or somethin.???
cos most of my subjects get scaled up... physics, economics, adv eng, 2uMaths... and im looking at gettin into the low 80s for all my subjects, so wud that mean my aligned marks would all be closer to the 90s, and i can put aligned marks closer to the 90s in SAM ?

matt_f64 · 15 Oct 2004, 7:38 AM

actually in the above post, take the scaled mark of 68 to be 78 . sorry

ay_caramba · 15 Oct 2004, 12:03 PM

Thanx. I feel a bit more confident abt maths now

matt_f64 · 15 Oct 2004, 6:25 PM

Lazarus?? please check the PM i sent u, thanx

Techie · 22 Oct 2004, 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Yep - exactly right.

That mark of 56/100 in Physics would have been scaled up to around 68/100.
(You can check this by entering 78 for Physics in 2003 using SAM.)

So does SAM take the aligned mark for a year, work out what the raw mark would have been, and then apply scaling to figure out your UAI? (If that's not a trade secret)

matt_f64 · 22 Oct 2004, 5:11 PM

thats pretty much correct

Techie · 22 Oct 2004, 6:10 PM

How did you know? The question was generally directed at Lazarus.

millencolinstar · 22 Oct 2004, 6:50 PM

i go to penrith high school which is a selective high school... my rank for most of the subjects is average or just below average... i was wondering that i am disadvantaged by going to a selective high school because my rank was low when i could of been better off going to my local high and getting like first or second in every course...

thanks

Techie · 22 Oct 2004, 6:56 PM

This should perhaps go in another thread, but generally the answer is no. Part of the point of moderating is to solve this problem. Going to a selective school should also help you out if you mess up the exam, because the rest of your cohort will pull you up somewhat, whereas if you were the only good student at a school, and you messed up, you'd be stuffed.

googleplex · 22 Oct 2004, 6:59 PM

so did you just assume 100 in those subjects went to 100, or did someone you know get 100 raw ? D:

millencolinstar · 22 Oct 2004, 7:01 PM

thanks for the reply...

**Lazarus** · 23 Oct 2004, 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt_f64

ok im starting to understand!!! so if my exam marks for all my subjects were say 70, and they were all on the same scaling level as physics, then my aligned mark would actually be say 85 (i dont no exactly but u get the point) and then my scaled mark for the UAI would be say 78 or somethin.???
cos most of my subjects get scaled up... physics, economics, adv eng, 2uMaths... and im looking at gettin into the low 80s for all my subjects, so wud that mean my aligned marks would all be closer to the 90s, and i can put aligned marks closer to the 90s in SAM ?

Even if your courses have similar scaling, they might have very different aligning. You can't just make this assumption. You need to estimate your aligned marks using the same methods as the HSC markers - specifically, the Board's standards packages.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Techie

So does SAM take the aligned mark for a year, work out what the raw mark would have been, and then apply scaling to figure out your UAI? (If that's not a trade secret)

That's the process that would be followed if all of the relevant information was available and we wanted to calculate UAIs exactly. In reality, no data concerning raw marks is published (except for the few exceptions where individual students have applied for their marks). SAM therefore skips the intermediate step in that process and attemps to estimate scaled marks directly from aligned marks using statistics published by the UAC. This is the best that can be done at the moment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by googleplex

so did you just assume 100 in those subjects went to 100, or did someone you know get 100 raw ? D:

The Board has stated that a raw mark of 100% always equates to an aligned mark of 100%, and a raw mark of 0 always equates to an aligned mark of 0.

Lorie · 23 Oct 2004, 1:57 PM

what kind of raw mark do you think i'll need for a band 6 in IPT???

Where can i find any stats from previous years about it??

matt_f64 · 23 Oct 2004, 3:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorie

what kind of raw mark do you think i'll need for a band 6 in IPT???

Where can i find any stats from previous years about it??

at the start of this thread there are a few examples from last few years.... http://www.boredofstudies.org/commun...8&page=1&pp=15

matt_f64 · 23 Oct 2004, 3:07 PM

altho there are no ipt ones no... the board of studies is gay and doesnt release that kind of information... it cud cause an uproar if there was found to be corruption or somethin within the board (giving out dodgy marks to students) :P

14 Oct 2004, 7:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	You can hide this advertisement by registering. ok im starting to understand!!! so if my exam marks for all my subjects were say 70, and they were all on the same scaling level as physics, then my aligned mark would actually be say 85 (i dont no exactly but u get the point) and then my scaled mark for the UAI would be say 68 or somethin.??? cos most of my subjects get scaled up... physics, economics, adv eng, 2uMaths... and im looking at gettin into the low 80s for all my subjects, so wud that mean my aligned marks would all be closer to the 90s, and i can put aligned marks closer to the 90s in SAM ? __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

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matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	actually in the above post, take the scaled mark of 68 to be 78 . sorry __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

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ay_caramba Crazily Sane. HSC: 2004 Gender: Female Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 299 Last Activity: 18 Dec 2008, 10:49 PM	Thanx. I feel a bit more confident abt maths now __________________ "Awww, 20 dollars?!? I wanted a peanut." Bachelor of Applied Finance/Bachelor of Economics @ Macquarie Uni, 2005.

15 Oct 2004, 6:25 PM	#34 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	Lazarus?? please check the PM i sent u, thanx __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

22 Oct 2004, 5:11 PM	#36 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	thats pretty much correct __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

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Techie Goooooooooone! HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: South Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 580 Last Activity: 31 Jul 2006, 8:05 PM	How did you know? The question was generally directed at Lazarus. __________________

22 Oct 2004, 6:50 PM	#38 (permalink)
millencolinstar New Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: Penno Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21 Last Activity: 1 Mar 2005, 12:12 PM	selective high school i go to penrith high school which is a selective high school... my rank for most of the subjects is average or just below average... i was wondering that i am disadvantaged by going to a selective high school because my rank was low when i could of been better off going to my local high and getting like first or second in every course... thanks

22 Oct 2004, 6:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
Techie Goooooooooone! HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: South Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 580 Last Activity: 31 Jul 2006, 8:05 PM	This should perhaps go in another thread, but generally the answer is no. Part of the point of moderating is to solve this problem. Going to a selective school should also help you out if you mess up the exam, because the rest of your cohort will pull you up somewhat, whereas if you were the only good student at a school, and you messed up, you'd be stuffed. __________________

22 Oct 2004, 6:59 PM	#40 (permalink)
googleplex Junior Member HSC: 2009 Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 31 Last Activity: Today, 9:34 AM	so did you just assume 100 in those subjects went to 100, or did someone you know get 100 raw ? D:

22 Oct 2004, 7:01 PM	#41 (permalink)
millencolinstar New Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: Penno Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 21 Last Activity: 1 Mar 2005, 12:12 PM	thanks for the reply...

23 Oct 2004, 1:57 PM	#43 (permalink)
Lorie Executive Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 445 Last Activity: 20 Sep 2009, 1:50 PM	what kind of raw mark do you think i'll need for a band 6 in IPT??? Where can i find any stats from previous years about it?? __________________ "Worry is the interest paid by those who borrow trouble." - George Washington "Politics is a dirty business." - Richard M. Nixon "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan "When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon B Commerce Griffith University

23 Oct 2004, 3:07 PM	#45 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	altho there are no ipt ones no... the board of studies is gay and doesnt release that kind of information... it cud cause an uproar if there was found to be corruption or somethin within the board (giving out dodgy marks to students) :P __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

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