Raw band cut-offs. (Updated: 15/09/04)

Lorie · 23 Oct 2004, 3:41 PM

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thats shocking hey, they should show all raw marks required for each band for every subject.

Can anyone give me an estinmate on what raw mark i'd need to get a band 6 in IPT

matt_f64 · 23 Oct 2004, 3:54 PM

yeah but each year the raw marks change depending on the difficulty of the test, in 2002 u mite hav needed a 80+ to get band 6 in 2 unit maths, but in 2003 the test was far more difficult (it was in the media about how it was far harder etc) so u may have only needed a 75+.... but it wud be good if they gave stats for each year cos surely u can get an estimate....

and ipt well i hav bugger all knowledge on the subject, probably 80+ if its an easy subject then maybe more.. but dont quote me on it :O

Lorie · 23 Oct 2004, 3:59 PM

ok cool thanks for that, just need a target to work for hey. The exam is on when the melbourne cup is on, what a bugger..............damn board of studies.........you'll get urs. So about an 80+, thats an achievable target, should be ok, maybe an 80 in maths might be a bit outta reach for me..........haha........lets say alot outta reach.

impulse_17 · 24 Oct 2004, 7:40 AM

why are raw marks determined to 1 dec. pl.?
like in the 2003 maths, someone got 65.7/120? How do you get 65.7 and not 65 or 66 or even 65.5?

**Lazarus** · 24 Oct 2004, 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by impulse_17

why are raw marks determined to 1 dec. pl.?
like in the 2003 maths, someone got 65.7/120? How do you get 65.7 and not 65 or 66 or even 65.5?

There are two types of 'raw' marks: raw examination marks and moderated assessment marks. Strictly speaking, this second one isn't a raw mark, because it's been moderated. But because the moderating process places assessment marks on the same scale as the raw examination marks, they can be viewed in the same light. Moderated assessment marks are calculated to one decimal place, which is where the floating point numbers came from.

The same raw band cut-offs are used to align both raw examination marks and moderated assessment marks.

All examination marks are integers though.

Cactus · 25 Oct 2004, 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus

Unfortunately, no.

The above post will be updated with additional statistics if/when they become available.

how would one go about getting our raw marks from the BOS?

morgue · 25 Oct 2004, 5:10 PM

Ok I'm a little confused...Do we ever know our raw mark (the mark we got in the actually HSC)? Or is it written when we get our HSC marks back?

Also I have scenario: Say I got around the 50 per cent mark in all my school assessments for Mathematics. Then I get to the HSC and only get 38% and the rest of my class either get around the same mark as I did or they get even lower marks. Does this HSC exam mark get scaled or something? If so, does it increase or decrease?

matt_f64 · 25 Oct 2004, 5:34 PM

u never know ur raw mark for exam no.

and using ur scenario... u wud probly get a moderated assessment mark of around 38% (cos ur school marks assessments too easy compared to hsc exam) and ur exam raw mark of 38% will get scaled according to how well that subject gets scaled..
in other words it is best that u do better in the exams and hope ur class does too!

Cactus · 25 Oct 2004, 6:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgue

Ok I'm a little confused...Do we ever know our raw mark (the mark we got in the actually HSC)? Or is it written when we get our HSC marks back?

Also I have scenario: Say I got around the 50 per cent mark in all my school assessments for Mathematics. Then I get to the HSC and only get 38% and the rest of my class either get around the same mark as I did or they get even lower marks. Does this HSC exam mark get scaled or something? If so, does it increase or decrease?

The only way to find out you raw marks is to sue the BOS under the Freedom of Information Act, in other words it's not easy.

In response to your scenario; you get your HSC Examination mark based on your performance in the exam, independent of your school's and classmate's performance. Your internal assesement mark is moderated based on your and your classes' performance in the exam. This is to ensure that a teacher cannot gain their class an advantage by setting easier assesments or vice versa; a class is not disadvantaged by receiving harder assesments.

For example; a class averages 50% in their internal assesments, then averages 70% in their exams, the class assesment marks will be moderated so that the average of the assesment marks is equal to the average of the exam marks, ie. 70%

I hope I got that correct

**Lazarus** · 25 Oct 2004, 9:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cactus

The only way to find out you raw marks is to sue the BOS under the Freedom of Information Act, in other words it's not easy.

Technically, you're not 'suing' the Board - they haven't done anything wrong.

The FOI Act just gives you the right to apply for information that is held about you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cactus

how would one go about getting our raw marks from the BOS?

It's really quite easy. The Board has provided a form that can simply be filled out and sent in:
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au...plication.html

You'll want to request your "raw examination marks (total weighted marks) and initial moderated assessment marks". Include your student number to make it easier for them.

You can also try to request a 'per module' breakdown of your marks, but that hasn't been done before, so there's no guarantee it will succeed. It won't stop the rest of your application from succeeding though.

Cactus · 25 Oct 2004, 10:02 PM

cool thanks. Maybe we should find things to sue them for while we're at it

pitted · 28 Oct 2004, 4:07 PM

hey laz - you so rock!

although i dont know if i want to get my raw marks back....lets just see what my UAI is first.

ciao

Alain · 28 Oct 2004, 9:33 PM

I hvae NO IDEA about what the hell alligned marks are in comparison with raw marks and how the hwole thing works....can someone help me out. I do Adv English, general maths, Eco, Business STudies, Modern History and Studies of Religion 1 unit

Cactus · 29 Oct 2004, 12:05 AM

OK, lets use English as an example. You sit the 2 exam papers (Journeys and Modules), and your final mark is say 80/105 raw. The Board of Studies then looks at the paper and rates how difficult it was, and aligns the marks accordingly, so your 80/105 raw might go up to 90/100 aligned. The aligned mark is the mark you receive on your HSC.

The people on here are asking what their raw marks will be aligned to, to help them estimate how their UAI will turn out. However this is difficult to do because the aligning profile changes each year based on the difficulty of the paper, however we can use the raw marks from previous years to estimate. Another difficulty is that the BOS reluctantly releases the raw marks information, so there is very little data to go by.

Hope this answered your question, if u have anything else to ask please do

aditya · 29 Oct 2004, 11:10 PM

i was going to ask for my raw marks, but now im not too sure :$

23 Oct 2004, 3:41 PM	#46 (permalink)
Lorie Executive Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 445 Last Activity: 20 Sep 2009, 1:50 PM	You can hide this advertisement by registering. thats shocking hey, they should show all raw marks required for each band for every subject. Can anyone give me an estinmate on what raw mark i'd need to get a band 6 in IPT __________________ "Worry is the interest paid by those who borrow trouble." - George Washington "Politics is a dirty business." - Richard M. Nixon "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan "When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon B Commerce Griffith University

23 Oct 2004, 3:54 PM	#47 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	yeah but each year the raw marks change depending on the difficulty of the test, in 2002 u mite hav needed a 80+ to get band 6 in 2 unit maths, but in 2003 the test was far more difficult (it was in the media about how it was far harder etc) so u may have only needed a 75+.... but it wud be good if they gave stats for each year cos surely u can get an estimate.... and ipt well i hav bugger all knowledge on the subject, probably 80+ if its an easy subject then maybe more.. but dont quote me on it :O __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

23 Oct 2004, 3:59 PM	#48 (permalink)
Lorie Executive Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 445 Last Activity: 20 Sep 2009, 1:50 PM	ok cool thanks for that, just need a target to work for hey. The exam is on when the melbourne cup is on, what a bugger..............damn board of studies.........you'll get urs. So about an 80+, thats an achievable target, should be ok, maybe an 80 in maths might be a bit outta reach for me..........haha........lets say alot outta reach. __________________ "Worry is the interest paid by those who borrow trouble." - George Washington "Politics is a dirty business." - Richard M. Nixon "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan "When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon B Commerce Griffith University

25 Oct 2004, 5:34 PM	#53 (permalink)
matt_f64 Senior Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Location: Northern Beaches Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 306 Last Activity: 6 Aug 2006, 1:30 PM	u never know ur raw mark for exam no. and using ur scenario... u wud probly get a moderated assessment mark of around 38% (cos ur school marks assessments too easy compared to hsc exam) and ur exam raw mark of 38% will get scaled according to how well that subject gets scaled.. in other words it is best that u do better in the exams and hope ur class does too! __________________ Year 12 Class of 2004 Course = Bach. Commerce - Accounting + Applied Finance@ Macquarie Uni

25 Oct 2004, 10:02 PM	#56 (permalink)
Cactus Sorcerer's Apprentice HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 507 Last Activity: 18 Nov 2007, 6:17 PM	cool thanks. Maybe we should find things to sue them for while we're at it __________________ Ticking away, the moments that make up a dull day. Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way

24 Oct 2004, 7:40 AM	#49 (permalink)
impulse_17 Assistant Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Female Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 50 Last Activity: 6 Feb 2007, 10:46 PM	why are raw marks determined to 1 dec. pl.? like in the 2003 maths, someone got 65.7/120? How do you get 65.7 and not 65 or 66 or even 65.5?

25 Oct 2004, 5:10 PM	#52 (permalink)
morgue New Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 22 Last Activity: 16 Dec 2004, 5:48 PM	Ok I'm a little confused...Do we ever know our raw mark (the mark we got in the actually HSC)? Or is it written when we get our HSC marks back? Also I have scenario: Say I got around the 50 per cent mark in all my school assessments for Mathematics. Then I get to the HSC and only get 38% and the rest of my class either get around the same mark as I did or they get even lower marks. Does this HSC exam mark get scaled or something? If so, does it increase or decrease?

28 Oct 2004, 4:07 PM	#57 (permalink)
pitted Member HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 103 Last Activity: 29 Apr 2006, 7:33 PM	hey laz - you so rock! although i dont know if i want to get my raw marks back....lets just see what my UAI is first. ciao

28 Oct 2004, 9:33 PM	#58 (permalink)
Alain slivering87 HSC: N/A Gender: Undisclosed Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 25 Last Activity: 14 Sep 2006, 7:28 PM	I hvae NO IDEA about what the hell alligned marks are in comparison with raw marks and how the hwole thing works....can someone help me out. I do Adv English, general maths, Eco, Business STudies, Modern History and Studies of Religion 1 unit

29 Oct 2004, 12:05 AM	#59 (permalink)
Cactus Sorcerer's Apprentice HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 507 Last Activity: 18 Nov 2007, 6:17 PM	OK, lets use English as an example. You sit the 2 exam papers (Journeys and Modules), and your final mark is say 80/105 raw. The Board of Studies then looks at the paper and rates how difficult it was, and aligns the marks accordingly, so your 80/105 raw might go up to 90/100 aligned. The aligned mark is the mark you receive on your HSC. The people on here are asking what their raw marks will be aligned to, to help them estimate how their UAI will turn out. However this is difficult to do because the aligning profile changes each year based on the difficulty of the paper, however we can use the raw marks from previous years to estimate. Another difficulty is that the BOS reluctantly releases the raw marks information, so there is very little data to go by. Hope this answered your question, if u have anything else to ask please do __________________ Ticking away, the moments that make up a dull day. Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way Last edited by Cactus; 29 Oct 2004 at 9:49 AM.

29 Oct 2004, 11:10 PM	#60 (permalink)
aditya Exalted Member HSC: 2007 Gender: Male Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 807 Last Activity: 18 Jan 2008, 5:15 PM	i was going to ask for my raw marks, but now im not too sure :$ __________________ ______________ (good luck to u all)

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