Explanation of HSC Marks (Moderating)

NewKleer · 4 Dec 2003, 2:20 PM

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bit of a late reply (due to not visiting here in a year...) but if you get the highest assesment mark in your subjects, then your assesment marks are moderated to be the highest mark attained in your classes' exam, more than likely by you.

so if u killed your exams, doesnt matter what mark u got in ur class, as long as you were first, ur assesment mark will be at the least, what you obtained in the exam (or more if someone else beat you)

**Ragerunner** · 4 Dec 2003, 3:12 PM

Yes. As long as you are first regardless of what mark it is, your moderated assessment will be the highest exam mark.

If you also top the exam then yes, your exam mark will become your assessment mark. If your not first then whoever came first will have their exam mark as your moderated assessment mark.

juggernaut · 4 Dec 2003, 3:35 PM

what about for equal rankings? like, do all those who came equal 1st just get the highest exam mark?

but then there would be more higher marks to distribute to 2nd and lower places.. assuming these equal 1st places got some of the top, but different exam marks... that cant be right can it

**Ragerunner** · 4 Dec 2003, 8:20 PM

If there were equal rankings the average of the 2 highest exam marks will become their moderated assessment marks in which both the top people will end up with equal moderated assessment marks as shown by equal rankings.

Benno · 8 Dec 2003, 12:22 AM

um in that table at the start of page 4 for the HSC marks there was something about aligning what we got in the HSC exam????

i thought that mark stayed the same....

Minai · 8 Dec 2003, 1:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Benno
um in that table at the start of page 4 for the HSC marks there was something about aligning what we got in the HSC exam????

i thought that mark stayed the same....

Your raw mark that u get in the exam isnt the mark u see wen u get ur results - its aligned to performance bands (ie Band 6, Band 5 etc) - theres a lot of info on this on this site

NewKleer · 10 Dec 2003, 4:19 PM

for example, if you get 70% raw marks in 4u maths, this equates to a hsc mark of about 95 or so, and scaled marks for uai close to 100.

whereas a 70% raw mark in general maths might equate to 65 hsc marks and scaled mark of about 35 for uai.

Benno · 10 Dec 2003, 11:05 PM

thats a bit exagreated i belive

im talking about what i get in the exam (just that mark people not the changed assessment mark or overall HSC mark)

if the marks say i get 80 in geography they cant change that can they?

perfectionist · 11 Dec 2003, 12:27 AM

Ok, i made a thread to ask a question, which could have been asked here.

I am a bit worried about my Physics mark, like, we had 9 people in my class...im ranked 4th, after me, i.e. from rank 5-9, people dont do anything...so yeah the worry is if their result would affect my final mark..

the school assessment marks for Physics are:
1st- 86%
2nd-82
3rd-80
4th-79
well we are the only 4 people who really do work in class.

I am hoping a raw in mid eighties in the HSC Physics Exam...well we dont know what it would get scaled too, if it goes up to e.g. 92/100...how would it affect my school assessment mark... i mean is my band 6 which is calculated by averaging the moderated school assessment mark and the hsc exam mark would be in "jeopardy"??

I am hoping to do better in the HSC Physics exam than the person ranked 3 in Physics...

Please explain!
i hope i am not sounding silly

**Ragerunner** · 11 Dec 2003, 12:43 AM

It appears your 4th highest mark (which is you) isn't that far from the top person - 7 marks.

In my opinion, I'd reckon a mid 80's as a raw exam mark would align to a band 6.

However, your band 6 is calculated (as you said) by averaging the moderated assessment mark and exam mark. Which is your HSC Mark.

If the other 3 people in your year do just as well as you (mid 80's as raw mark), you'd still end up with a pretty high moderated school assessment mark.

I can't say whether you'd get band 6 for sure, but the option is certainly there.

I not sure whether I answered your question, if not don't hesitate to ask again.

perfectionist · 11 Dec 2003, 12:47 AM

yeah u did answer it

Thanks so much
yeah, i'd post q's if i "feel" that I am still confused.

Thanks again

michaelirish · 22 Dec 2003, 5:21 PM

""ok..i was sumwhat confident before.. but now i am a little hazed again.
from what i can gather (although i am probably wrong as usual) performace is also dependant on how well (or crap for that matter) your school performs..
well what happens if in ur classes ur first .. and there is a huge gap between u and the rest of ur class.. BUT your the only one with such a high mark (80-90)... meanwhile everyone else in your class are around the same low mark (30-40)... if your schools marks get averaged...does that mean my marks gets pulled down... i've read somewhere that becuase i am first, i am relatively immune..
however..how is this possible if the rest of the class is going bad.. will thats not pull me down considerably..or will they be pulled up?...
i'm blabbering on again and knowing me..the answer is simple and has been mentioned before..
however my paranoia is getting the betta of me at this point
what to do what to do..
help plz..
thanx in advance guys""
Has this poster's question been answered?

**Lazarus** · 22 Dec 2003, 7:03 PM

Yes. The entire moderating process has been described rather exhaustively across almost all of the 'important' threads.

The scenario put forward by the poster is a bit confused, and doesn't seem to differentiate between assessment marks and examination marks. The latter are used to moderate the former.

Specific and precise questions are easier to answer.

michaelirish · 23 Dec 2003, 4:13 PM

I think he was referring to ' a school loading factor'...it may very well be the reason why students want to get into selective schools after yr 10

**Lazarus** · 25 Dec 2003, 12:46 AM

There is, ultimately, no such factor.

An average student at an above average school will receive a low school ranking, which would cancel out any benefit gained by the good performances of the other students.

4 Dec 2003, 3:12 PM	#62 (permalink)
Ragerunner Your friendly HSC guide HSC: 2003 Gender: Male Location: UNSW Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,477 Last Activity: 30 Jul 2009, 9:22 PM	Yes. As long as you are first regardless of what mark it is, your moderated assessment will be the highest exam mark. If you also top the exam then yes, your exam mark will become your assessment mark. If your not first then whoever came first will have their exam mark as your moderated assessment mark. __________________ B Science @ UNSW (Major in Psychology) See green? It's just your imagination.

4 Dec 2003, 3:35 PM	#63 (permalink)
juggernaut Executive Member HSC: 2004 Gender: Male Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Last Activity: Yesterday, 1:00 AM	what about for equal rankings? like, do all those who came equal 1st just get the highest exam mark? but then there would be more higher marks to distribute to 2nd and lower places.. assuming these equal 1st places got some of the top, but different exam marks... that cant be right can it __________________ Bachelor of Applied Science (Physiotherapy)

4 Dec 2003, 8:20 PM	#64 (permalink)
Ragerunner Your friendly HSC guide HSC: 2003 Gender: Male Location: UNSW Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,477 Last Activity: 30 Jul 2009, 9:22 PM	If there were equal rankings the average of the 2 highest exam marks will become their moderated assessment marks in which both the top people will end up with equal moderated assessment marks as shown by equal rankings. __________________ B Science @ UNSW (Major in Psychology) See green? It's just your imagination.

11 Dec 2003, 12:27 AM	#69 (permalink)
perfectionist I M SpEcIaL....SpEcIaL... HSC: N/A Gender: Female Location: Sydney, Australia Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 755 Last Activity: 31 Oct 2006, 7:27 PM	Ok, i made a thread to ask a question, which could have been asked here. I am a bit worried about my Physics mark, like, we had 9 people in my class...im ranked 4th, after me, i.e. from rank 5-9, people dont do anything...so yeah the worry is if their result would affect my final mark.. the school assessment marks for Physics are: 1st- 86% 2nd-82 3rd-80 4th-79 well we are the only 4 people who really do work in class. I am hoping a raw in mid eighties in the HSC Physics Exam...well we dont know what it would get scaled too, if it goes up to e.g. 92/100...how would it affect my school assessment mark... i mean is my band 6 which is calculated by averaging the moderated school assessment mark and the hsc exam mark would be in "jeopardy"?? I am hoping to do better in the HSC Physics exam than the person ranked 3 in Physics... Please explain! i hope i am not sounding silly __________________ "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." ~ Albert Einstein "Desire is the key to motivation, but it's determination and commitment to anunrelenting pursuit of your goal -- a commitment to excellence -- that will enable you to attain the success you seek." ~ Mario Andretti "Do what you feel in your heart to be right...for you'll be criticised anyway"

11 Dec 2003, 12:43 AM	#70 (permalink)
Ragerunner Your friendly HSC guide HSC: 2003 Gender: Male Location: UNSW Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,477 Last Activity: 30 Jul 2009, 9:22 PM	It appears your 4th highest mark (which is you) isn't that far from the top person - 7 marks. In my opinion, I'd reckon a mid 80's as a raw exam mark would align to a band 6. However, your band 6 is calculated (as you said) by averaging the moderated assessment mark and exam mark. Which is your HSC Mark. If the other 3 people in your year do just as well as you (mid 80's as raw mark), you'd still end up with a pretty high moderated school assessment mark. I can't say whether you'd get band 6 for sure, but the option is certainly there. I not sure whether I answered your question, if not don't hesitate to ask again. __________________ B Science @ UNSW (Major in Psychology) See green? It's just your imagination.

4 Dec 2003, 2:20 PM	#61 (permalink)
NewKleer New Member HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12 Last Activity: 28 Sep 2009, 4:16 PM	You can hide this advertisement by registering. bit of a late reply (due to not visiting here in a year...) but if you get the highest assesment mark in your subjects, then your assesment marks are moderated to be the highest mark attained in your classes' exam, more than likely by you. so if u killed your exams, doesnt matter what mark u got in ur class, as long as you were first, ur assesment mark will be at the least, what you obtained in the exam (or more if someone else beat you)

8 Dec 2003, 12:22 AM	#65 (permalink)
Benno Executive Member HSC: 2007 Gender: Male Location: Nsw Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 531 Last Activity: 11 Mar 2008, 11:35 AM	um in that table at the start of page 4 for the HSC marks there was something about aligning what we got in the HSC exam???? i thought that mark stayed the same....

10 Dec 2003, 4:19 PM	#67 (permalink)
NewKleer New Member HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12 Last Activity: 28 Sep 2009, 4:16 PM	for example, if you get 70% raw marks in 4u maths, this equates to a hsc mark of about 95 or so, and scaled marks for uai close to 100. whereas a 70% raw mark in general maths might equate to 65 hsc marks and scaled mark of about 35 for uai.

10 Dec 2003, 11:05 PM	#68 (permalink)
Benno Executive Member HSC: 2007 Gender: Male Location: Nsw Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 531 Last Activity: 11 Mar 2008, 11:35 AM	thats a bit exagreated i belive im talking about what i get in the exam (just that mark people not the changed assessment mark or overall HSC mark) if the marks say i get 80 in geography they cant change that can they?

11 Dec 2003, 12:47 AM	#71 (permalink)
perfectionist I M SpEcIaL....SpEcIaL... HSC: N/A Gender: Female Location: Sydney, Australia Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 755 Last Activity: 31 Oct 2006, 7:27 PM	yeah u did answer it Thanks so much yeah, i'd post q's if i "feel" that I am still confused. Thanks again __________________ "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." ~ Albert Einstein "Desire is the key to motivation, but it's determination and commitment to anunrelenting pursuit of your goal -- a commitment to excellence -- that will enable you to attain the success you seek." ~ Mario Andretti "Do what you feel in your heart to be right...for you'll be criticised anyway"

22 Dec 2003, 5:21 PM	#72 (permalink)
michaelirish New Member HSC: N/A Gender: Male Location: Epping, Sydney, NSW Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 23 Last Activity: 3 Jan 2009, 12:40 PM	""ok..i was sumwhat confident before.. but now i am a little hazed again. from what i can gather (although i am probably wrong as usual) performace is also dependant on how well (or crap for that matter) your school performs.. well what happens if in ur classes ur first .. and there is a huge gap between u and the rest of ur class.. BUT your the only one with such a high mark (80-90)... meanwhile everyone else in your class are around the same low mark (30-40)... if your schools marks get averaged...does that mean my marks gets pulled down... i've read somewhere that becuase i am first, i am relatively immune.. however..how is this possible if the rest of the class is going bad.. will thats not pull me down considerably..or will they be pulled up?... i'm blabbering on again and knowing me..the answer is simple and has been mentioned before.. however my paranoia is getting the betta of me at this point what to do what to do.. help plz.. thanx in advance guys"" Has this poster's question been answered?

22 Dec 2003, 7:03 PM	#73 (permalink)
Lazarus Bored Admin HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Location: CBD Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,517 Last Activity: 19 Nov 2009, 11:48 PM	Yes. The entire moderating process has been described rather exhaustively across almost all of the 'important' threads. The scenario put forward by the poster is a bit confused, and doesn't seem to differentiate between assessment marks and examination marks. The latter are used to moderate the former. Specific and precise questions are easier to answer. __________________ Lazarus Et in arcadia ego...

23 Dec 2003, 4:13 PM	#74 (permalink)
michaelirish New Member HSC: N/A Gender: Male Location: Epping, Sydney, NSW Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 23 Last Activity: 3 Jan 2009, 12:40 PM	I think he was referring to ' a school loading factor'...it may very well be the reason why students want to get into selective schools after yr 10

25 Dec 2003, 12:46 AM	#75 (permalink)
Lazarus Bored Admin HSC: 2001 Gender: Male Location: CBD Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,517 Last Activity: 19 Nov 2009, 11:48 PM	There is, ultimately, no such factor. An average student at an above average school will receive a low school ranking, which would cancel out any benefit gained by the good performances of the other students. __________________ Lazarus Et in arcadia ego...

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