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    That kind of 'group benefit' isn't exclusive to James Ruse AHS - any upper end selective school is bound to have most of their students performing well.

    It's the reason why they're selective in the first place.
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    Well I think just about everyone gets over 85 with the vast majority over 95
    my brother who was coming just about dead last in nearly every subject and who was nearly kicked out due to "lack of effort" ended up with a uai of 93 which was amazing as judging by his reports/results I didnt think he would get above 70
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    What, oh man, that makes me so mad. That's why the BOS (the real one) has to change the system. I know they did last year, but it was a crap change, they need to fix it all up. Their just a bunch of fatcats, hehe.
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    That's why the BOS (the real one) has to change the system.
    If you could come up with a system that truly worked better and is fairer than the current one, I am sure they would implement it.

    Such a system has yet to emerge.
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    Yeah I guess. It is kind of fair, but as was mentioned before, there are still people out their getting pulled up and down because of what school they go to.

    I mean, if I had $5 000 000, I would move to Sydney city, pay my way into Sydney Grammar, and get pulled up like the rest of them. There you go, so they have to think up a system which is fair for all peoples. I like the idea that country kids get +5 UAI, thats fair, because of the conditions they live in, and the schools they go to (no offence to country people, hehe, you guys suck ). Sorry, anywayz, they just need to make sure that people aren't being unfairly advantaged or disadvantaged according to how other people went in the HSC.
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    so are you saying that selective school students are unfairly advantaged?

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    In a way...yes.
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    Well I think what saved my brother was that he did well in the actual HSC exams, the fact that he went to James Ruse meant bad assesment rankings didnt really affect him as nearly everyone at Ruse did well in the hsc exam
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    Oh, OK, but still, people are being effected by other peoples results.

    Say the person who came first in the 4U class, completely bombs the HSC because he is sick or something, or because of spite, or whatever. Our entire class is pulled down with him, whats the deal with that???
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    If you don't go to a selective school, it should be comparatively 'easier' to gain access to the higher assessment rankings, thereby providing you with the same advantage anyway.

    Many students forget that every year 12 student in the state is doing the HSC, not merely those that are in their own school.
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    I don't get it, whats that got to do with anything? yeah, there are going to be 15 000 people sitting, doing a change essay on the morning of the 2st of October 2002, but how does that effect our ranking within our school?
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    I hate to nit-pick but its Sydney Grammar with an "a"...get it right! And yes I do go there...

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    Sorry buddy, I was just using it as an example, didn't mean to actually offend anyone that goes there.
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    yeah, there are going to be 15 000 people sitting, doing a change essay on the morning of the 2st of October 2002, but how does that effect our ranking within our school?
    Because, Nelly, many students, upon finding out that they are ranked in the top 10 or top 5 in their school (or even higher), believe that they are doing 'well enough' and do not try nearly as hard as they would if they remembered that they were competing against the rest of the state and not the rest of the school.

    They don't even realise their potential, let alone come close to reaching it.
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    ok, for school assessments, if a selective student get a same mark as a normal school school student, then the selective student gets scaling advantage. this is bcause standards in different schools are differnt. selective students may be working harder, or do harder exams etc etc.

    For hsc exams, depends on how well the school group goes, students in the school gets scaled accordingly. obviously, those top selective students get good scaling advantage. i reckon it is fair for people to get advantage since they could bother getting into those selective schools

    also with the hsc, it is very hard to 'bomb out' since u can claim sickness or misadvanture, in which they look at your school mark more that your 'sick hsc' mark

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    Originally posted by Lazarus
    If you don't go to a selective school, it should be comparatively 'easier' to gain access to the higher assessment rankings, thereby providing you with the same advantage anyway.

    Many students forget that every year 12 student in the state is doing the HSC, not merely those that are in their own school.
    Ok here you have person rank 10th in a subject in normal school, say Parramatta high, and this guy doing the same subject in james ruse and comes 10th

    how does UAC treat them?

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    ok, for school assessments, if a selective student get a same mark as a normal school school student, then the selective student gets scaling advantage.
    No. The mark is irrelevant. It counts for nothing. If a selective student gets the same ranking as a normal school student, then yes, they will have an advantage in the moderation process.

    also with the hsc, it is very hard to 'bomb out' since u can claim sickness or misadvanture, in which they look at your school mark more that your 'sick hsc' mark
    Although I don't know from experience, I've heard that it's reasonably difficult to have a successful misadventure appeal.

    Ok here you have person rank 10th in a subject in normal school, say Parramatta high, and this guy doing the same subject in james ruse and comes 10th. how does UAC treat them?
    The exam mark average for the class at James Ruse will (more than likely) be higher than the exam mark average for the class at Parramatta High, and as a result, the James Ruse group will be awarded higher moderated assessment marks.

    Note that the school you attend and the performance of your classmates only affects your moderated assessment mark, and not your exam mark.

    There is a section on the main Bored of Studies site entitled "UAI/Scaling" - it explains the moderation of assessment marks. If you have any further questions after reading that, feel free to ask.
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    i reckon all the selective ppl should get distributed to other schools...i mean come on! some of them dont put in alot of effort like we do but they get scaled up so high...

    i reckon all of the bos ppl should get stuffed....

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    but from what i know the BOS's mark do not matter very much since the UAIs are done by the universities

    the stupid board of studies introduced the new hsc system so that the state average goes from the 65% in the past to 75% now, so that they do not look like a bunch of failures............(stupid politicians)

    that is y last year on the news there is this issue about a student receiving all marks on the 70s but the uai is in the 60s


    the UAC people take the state average and change it to 50% and then work by themselves from their

    how they get the UAI is still a mystery ..............that is y every1 can only estimate from your results

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    can someone give me an idea about what people usually get for thier uai with different subs...

    i do ipt, bus, eco,adv eng, 4u maths

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    u should go use the uai calculator @ lazseeker.cjb.net

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    Out of all the marks I have, the following student did the most courses in common with yours, beebeez:

    Units | Course | Exam | Assess | HSC | Band

    2 Business Studies 89/100 91/100 90 6
    2 Economics 91/100 89/100 90 6
    2 English (Advanced) 80/100 77/100 79 4
    2 Legal Studies 69/100 74/100 72 4
    2 Mathematics Extension 1 91/100 93/100 92 E4
    2 Mathematics Extension 2 83/100 82/100 83 3 E3

    UAI 96.35
    (legal studies was not counted)

    how they get the UAI is still a mystery ..............that is y every1 can only estimate from your results
    I'm currently in the process of typing up a document that will explain the entire process completely. It should be on the site sometime over the next few days.
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    have you got results of anyone doing 4u, physics and badly scaled courses like english std and industrial technology?

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    These were the closest I could find.

    2 English (Standard) 64/100 64/100 64 3
    2 Mathematics Extension 1 82/100 84/100 83 E3
    2 Mathematics Extension 2 69/100 75/100 72 E3
    2 Physics 67/100 78/100 73 4
    2 Software Design and Development 73/100 73/100 73 4
    2 Cosmology - Distinction Course Distinction N/A N/A N/A

    UAI: 86.55


    2 Chemistry 79/100 79/100 79 4
    2 English (Standard) 76/100 75/100 76 4
    2 Mathematics Extension 1 93/100 93/100 93 E4
    2 Mathematics Extension 2 87/100 87/100 87 3 E3
    2 Physics 78/100 77/100 78 4
    2 Software Design and Development 79/100 79/100 79 4

    UAI: 97.05
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    THAT IS THE BEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD ALL WEEK. Because they are my approximate marks for all the subjects that I am doing, except I am getting about 80 for Adv. English.

    Woah, thats bloody awesome. Is that all because of 4U Math? (97.05)
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