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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Sure, these schools aren't so great academically though, isn't there a school with both good hardware and software? If there is an school in this country with the facility and stuff of King's and the students of JR, then we're talking about a school that can probably compete with schools like Shanghai high or Beijing No.4.
    What's so important about competing with those schools?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

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    Yes but for the most part noone is interested in selective hs fanfiction...

    and there's bigger concerns out there than competing with China
    No one? Really? I am and so do many family who has the option to send their send their kids overseas to study instead of putting up with public education or the expensive private education in Australia, there are now increasing number of choices available for consumers in the secondary education market, just like the tertiary market, so why not look for a more competitive alternative?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    No one? Really? I am and so do many family who has the option to send their send their kids overseas to study instead of putting up with public education or the expensive private education in Australia, there are now increasing number of choices available for consumers in the secondary education market, just like the tertiary market, so why not look for a more competitive alternative?
    youngsky is wrong about that.... SOme do care about the fanfiction and some don't.

    WHy?

    ("NO" CASE) Because there is no need. You do not need to go to a "top notch" international school to be successful in life and the future. Furthermore, there are huge costs involved in it. Studying overseas costs more than studying here....

    ("YES" CASE) SOme parents come from a culture where education is valued immensely and it is seen as the only way to succeed in life.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    No one? Really? I am and so do many family who has the option to send their send their kids overseas to study instead of putting up with public education or the expensive private education in Australia, there are now increasing number of choices available for consumers in the secondary education market, just like the tertiary market, so why not look for a more competitive alternative?
    @ everyone "for the most part" - intentionally refrained from using the word "only", I apologise if it wasn't already clear.

    Because there are a tonne of people in mainland China wanting to trade places with you and your family. I'm Shanghainese myself, and from what I have heard from family friends and relatives, they would much rather trade the perceived freedom and opportunities offered in Australia for attending a more rigorous education in China (albeit secondary education we are talking about here). Not to mention beyond high school, Australian Go8 universities are arguably just as competitive, if not slightly more competitive, than the C9 universities of China.

    But I digress...by all means go ahead and send your kids overseas, if there really is that much of an improvement.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    My thinking was, send my kids to a top high school in China for the first few years of high school, them come back to Sydney to do their HSC, or send them to an international/experimental school and do their IB/SAT program in there. Fee-wise, they are very competitive when compared with private schools here.

    I'm not interested in CHinese universities, that's not my intention, Chinese uni are not reputable, but their high school demolished anything in the West.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    My thinking was, send my kids to a top high school in China for the first few years of high school, them come back to Sydney to do their HSC, or send them to an international/experimental school and do their IB/SAT program in there. Fee-wise, they are very competitive when compared with private schools here.

    I'm not interested in CHinese universities, that's not my intention, Chinese uni are not reputable, but their high school demolished anything in the West.
    Well fair enough - would be more convenient to mention at the start though. Not sure how viable your 1st mentioned plan is, nor what the realistic expectations are, considering your kids would have to transition in and out of 2 vastly different education systems, it could be difficult to adjust in just a short space of time.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Sure, these schools aren't so great academically though, isn't there a school with both good hardware and software? If there is an school in this country with the facility and stuff of King's and the students of JR, then we're talking about a school that can probably compete with schools like Shanghai high or Beijing No.4.
    And despite this, Ruse continues to produce students who perform amazingly at international Olympiads. Including 1st in the whole world this year at the International Informatics Olympiad.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by silkroads View Post
    And despite this, Ruse continues to produce students who perform amazingly at international Olympiads. Including 1st in the whole world this year at the International Informatics Olympiad.
    this guy? You mean equal first with China?

    http://stats.ioinformatics.org/results/CHN
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    OP is just cut he couldn't get into JR tbh
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by RealiseNothing View Post
    OP is just cut he couldn't get into JR tbh
    ad hominem. Try harder.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    Sure, these schools aren't so great academically though, isn't there a school with both good hardware and software? If there is an school in this country with the facility and stuff of King's and the students of JR, then we're talking about a school that can probably compete with schools like Shanghai high or Beijing No.4.
    Well, if you don't mind a tiny private school that only facilitates a 5 student cohort (where resources are little but are enough for the 5 richest and gifted students in NSW), we might be able to see a school with a 100% D.A. rate (about 25% higher than Ruse) and has 'good hardware' (enough for 5 students e.g. 1 teacher for each subject).

    Realistically, this won't happen.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    ad hominem. Try harder.
    Am I wrong?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Is that u matty g

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by silkroads View Post
    And despite this, Ruse continues to produce students who perform amazingly at international Olympiads. Including 1st in the whole world this year at the International Informatics Olympiad.
    +1
    It's about the students and teaching not the hardware, software or facilities.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiraken View Post
    Is that u matty g
    It kinda does sound like him.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    So am I wrong that Ruse would be just an average tiny school if it was in a more academically focus city?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Yeah I don't get the point of this thread lol. OP are you just voicing your thoughts or do you want action to be taken?
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    So am I wrong that Ruse would be just an average tiny school if it was in a more academically focus city?
    Ruse would be just an average tiny school if average students are in it lol
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Confound View Post
    Ruse would be just an average tiny school if average students are in it lol
    yeah, but in Shanghai most school will have Ruse's level students, that's the point. So Ruse would be No1 in NSW, but average in Shanghai. In other words, if RDFZ was located in Sydney, they would be the no1 atar school lol.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    yeah, but in Shanghai most school will have Ruse's level students, that's the point. So Ruse would be No1 in NSW, but average in Shanghai. In other words, if RDFZ was located in Sydney, they would be the no1 atar school lol.
    Yes i'm assuming that is true (taking your word for it). But this is not Shanghai lol so the point of sending your kids to Ruse is the hope that they'll produce good results because of the school's reputation of having high performing students. That hope comes true most of the time.

    Do you know of the lowest atar achieved by a Ruse student who put in some effort? I don't know but i'm assuming you won't find many under 90. Anyone care to share insight on this?

    EDIT: I get your point, idk why you're making it though. There's nothing we can do about the average Shanghai school student being Ruse level. Do you want more of them to come to AUS? do you want more of us to go over there? I don't think I fully understand but i'm curious lol
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by Confound View Post

    EDIT: I get your point, idk why you're making it though. There's nothing we can do about the average Shanghai school student being Ruse level. Do you want more of them to come to AUS? do you want more of us to go over there? I don't think I fully understand but i'm curious lol
    I as a parent, have the responsibility of deciding which HS best suits my child's needs. And I do not want to limit the number of choices to just HS in Sydney.

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    I as a parent, have the responsibility of deciding which HS best suits my child's needs. And I do not want to limit the number of choices to just HS in Sydney.
    Maybe consider UK boarding schools? Well rounded and individuals who can critically think is a much needed, and not encouraged in many schools in much of the world.
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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by BLIT2014 View Post
    Maybe consider UK boarding schools? Well rounded and individuals who can critically think is a much needed, and not encouraged in many schools in much of the world.
    Cost wise? compared to say SHSID's $AUD 20 000 a year?

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    Re: What is so special about James Ruse or any other selective?

    Quote Originally Posted by financialwar View Post
    This old stereotype that Chinese schools is all about rote learning, this old western excuse is really getting our education no where. UK (and the west) isn't very creative where compared to Asia.

    http://www.oecd.org/pisa/keyfindings...s-volume-V.pdf
    PISA has been criticised even in places like Finland which have done really well at it..
    https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6344672

    Plus the countries which have done really well at it tend to have an extremely homogeneous culture.

    PISA only tests Shanghai which is rich district so I question the validity of it...

    Nothing wrong with rote learning imo..
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