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    Rachel, a lawyer, is letting her son sit the test on his own steam, without coaching. "I have an Asian friend who says, 'Bring him to college, I won't tell anyone,' " she says. "But her son got into [inner-Sydney selective] Fort Street, and had a breakdown. I've interviewed these kids for work. Are they the most intelligent? No. You ask them an unscripted question and they go to pieces."

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    I think the issue is our primary school education system. Why should kids need such heavy coaching / tutoring? It's because we learn nothing in primary. You learn to read, do basic math, basic grammar and that's pretty much it.

    Maybe it's not that out of school coaching is working, but an indication our actual compulsory schooling is NOT working. And just reading the article now, they talk about that. I agree, it's crap we have to fork out money because our education system can't teach us well enough.

    I think the whole education system needs a big overhaul.
    I actually think that tutoring/coaching would still be around to the same extent even if we had a great education system. It's all relative, because some people just want to do better than their peers regardless of what the standard is. These days, the most successful tutoring/coaching places are those that help students get ahead, not help students catch up when they fall behind.

    There are actually many aspects of the article I sadly agree with based on my own experiences. When it comes to selective test coaching it's mainly practice drills over and over again until you can basically memorise the answer. I must've done at least 50 different practice papers leading up to the real thing. It's basically like soldier training. Once you're familiar with the questions, it becomes quite predictable. It doesn't teach you how to think on your own at all (both the test and the coaching). I'm thankful for the fact that I got into a selective school and it really benefited my long term education to some extent but I just feel sorry for the kids who go through this and then aren't successful.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    I was/am a Selective reject, one who made it into Hornsby and was seen as a disappointment by my parents, because I was bad at the Selective test. And I definitely feel related with "Are they the most intelligent? No. You ask them an unscripted question and they go to pieces" because after my unsuccessful feat with the Selective phase, I only learn to "survive" and get ready for the HSC, I just keep doing standardised testing rather than...I don't know...doing "real life" stuff. And when I come across questions in standardised testing that I have not vigorously practised, I, like the article, just start to crumble.

    Not much input, but something I wanted to support.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    I think the issue is our primary school education system. Why should kids need such heavy coaching / tutoring? It's because we learn nothing in primary. You learn to read, do basic math, basic grammar and that's pretty much it.

    Maybe it's not that out of school coaching is working, but an indication our actual compulsory schooling is NOT working. And just reading the article now, they talk about that. I agree, it's crap we have to fork out money because our education system can't teach us well enough.

    I think the whole education system needs a big overhaul.
    Protip: They don't.

    Parents will do anything to get ahead though.

    When you boil it down, the market for tutoring is not driven by underachievement but an absence of confidence. If my own experience is anything to go by, the people who went to tutoring weren't incompetent, but they feared being left behind because other students went to tutoring. There's a huge amount of students who actually don't need tutoring, and they don't realise it.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Interesting read. Given I've been through the motions- initially considered a 'failure' by my parents in primary school for not making it into James Ruse (note that back then Baulkham Hills was ranked #32) but lo and behold I turned out okay. I ended up doing some tutoring but at least for the most part, it was in areas where I needed the most extra help.

    The article touches on a lot of interesting points but I think one thing which I don't see is that in the same way many schools and culturally we support and aspire to sporting achievement, a selective high school is simply one which does the same but with academic excellence. I know it does lead to some slightly different social outcomes but as my PE teacher put it to me, it's great that kids are able to be encouraged in this space without fear of being socially isolated compared to what she had seen at non selective schools.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Going to a partially selective school: I think being able to socialise with people on both sides of the academic spectrum was really enjoyable. I didn't do any any tutoring until year 12 for Japanese, but pretty much the atmosphere was definitely abit more relaxed and I had a lot of enjoyment in class where several people were troublemakers etc.., sure it disrupted my learning, but from years 7-10 most of the learning really isn't that relevant, by the time people hit year 11 people grow up and realise what society needs them do. Granted the ones who dont realise,generally leave.

    I really think parents need to realise selectives and privates are not all meets end, though if your child can get it, definitely go for it. (the networking you get from your cohort at Selective is pretty dam good for life)

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Tutoring was great. Great way to meet lgs. Like who dafuq cares about thr hsc. We all know the intentions of guys going to tutoring
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Tutoring is nothing compared to the amount of schooling Asian kids do back home. Explains why Asian parents are so anxious to get ahead.

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Yeah, my international student friend is way ahead of us in Maths.
    But even though I have tutoring, I don't retain a lot of things I learnt because I was always tired and done from finishing school.
    So it makes tutoring ineffective for me until I start actively relearning and getting ahead
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    My mates from Taiwan were bottom in their math class.

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    Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by isildurrrr1 View Post
    Tutoring is nothing compared to the amount of schooling Asian kids do back home. Explains why Asian parents are so anxious to get ahead.
    That's not all. The syllabus in Asia is more difficult .

    We learn algebra in year 7, they learn it in year 4 or 5.

    We still do basic division and multiplication in high school ...:

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by nerdasdasd View Post
    That's not all. The syllabus in Asia is more difficult .
    In year 7, I was doing 84/7....:: 12 x 9...: and in the top class mfw
    Yep, it is terrible. You learn 'shape' algebra in about year 6 I think in Aus., and legit algebra from about late year 7.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    Primary school is a bit of a joke IMO. Highschool was much better. I felt like we learned basic reading writing math skills in primary and that was it. We just wasted time right up until we got to year 7.

    The biggest thing I got taught in year 6 was long division. I didn't understand it, still don't, and never have had to use it once in my life so far. I think I could have coped with algebra starting from year 5, instead of 7.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    tiger parenting is good if you want your kids to grow up as miserable, socially retarded doctors

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by SylviaB View Post
    tiger parenting is good if you want your kids to grow up as miserable, socially retarded doctors
    their face when fail UMAT due to lack of social skills.

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Lol, the only comeback white people have is "yeah, we are lazy and have uncaring parents, but at least we are creative".

    Dear white people, creativity is subjective and unquantifiable. Unlike ATAR and $$$ income.

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by kuromusha View Post
    Lol, the only comeback white people have is "yeah, we are lazy and have uncaring parents, but at least we are creative".

    Dear white people, creativity is subjective and unquantifiable. Unlike ATAR and $$$ income.
    but honestly if i had to choose between tiger parents and 'lazy and uncaring' parents , i would actually choose the latter. I'd rather parents who i can get along with (in a sense? ) and doesn't control me like some robot. At least white people had a happy childhood instead of no childhood.

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    It's all about balance. It's about pushing your kid to their fullest potential and build a sense of responsibility and work ethic. If you have a child who can score As and is just getting passes then something has to be done. If you have a kid who can score only passes that's fine too.


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    Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by kuromusha View Post
    Lol, the only comeback white people have is "yeah, we are lazy and have uncaring parents, but at least we are creative".

    Dear white people, creativity is subjective and unquantifiable. Unlike ATAR and $$$ income.
    Both parents care.

    Asians just care with their actions and the provision of opportunities for kids (e.g. Going to tutoring even if they work all day , like my parents )

    It's called "tough love".

    *the rationale behind Asian parenting is that the kids don't know "better" and need to be guided.


    White parents care, but just don't value education as much. I'd also say that white parents show more compassion . Aka soft love / parenting

    *the rationale behind white parenting is be free, happy and find your own way *
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by kuromusha View Post
    Lol, the only comeback white people have is "yeah, we are lazy and have uncaring parents, but at least we are creative".

    Dear white people, creativity is subjective and unquantifiable. Unlike ATAR and $$$ income.
    How about you don't turn this into a race thing? Or generalise a whole race for that matter.

    This issue should have nothing to do with race. Every person is their own, and thus has their own parenting style - some people have shitty parenting and others have good.

    However I think everyone just needs to chill out and find a balance between being strict, caring and allowing fun. My parents use to be VERY strict as a kid (they are white, and not 'lazy and uncaring'). It was stupid, but they loosened up a bit later on.
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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Nah Asian parenting is pretty much "what will the community think"

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    White people again stereotyping asian parenting as creating only socially retarded copycats. We all know the white way is the right way, no, you must be a fool if you think different parenting styles could have their own positives and negatives.

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    Re: Testing times: selective schools and tiger parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    How about you don't turn this into a race thing? Or generalise a whole race for that matter.

    This issue should have nothing to do with race. Every person is their own, and thus has their own parenting style - some people have shitty parenting and others have good.

    However I think everyone just needs to chill out and find a balance between being strict, caring and allowing fun. My parents use to be VERY strict as a kid (they are white, and not 'lazy and uncaring'). It was stupid, but they loosened up a bit later on.
    How about you face the facts and instead of kowtowing to political correctness?

    This would not be a race issue, if Asians and White were proportionally presented. But it is not, Asians only occupy a minority status in the population but is the majority in selective high school enrolments. So how is race not a factor?

    When a race that is only 7% of a population takes 80% of the enrolment in selective high school, it has to be cultural or genetic.
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