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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwell View Post
    I don't want any Muslims entering this country. They come here with ulterior motives, they can't assimilate and they end up forcing themselves on the Westerners. The media also pushes their agenda with this whole thing trying to make people feel bad for the 'plight' of these 'people'. You look at immigration of other types of people and you see a group that learns to assimilate, a group that entertains their culture but within the confines of what is socially acceptable, keeping in mind that this isn't their country and that they're guests and aren't entitled to push their traditions on everybody. But these illegal Muslim refugees are so inept of doing that, I seriously don't feel a single shred of compassion for any of them.
    Not all groups of Muslims are a problem. However there are some that are indeed a problem. Again it isn't black and white, what you are saying is generalising all of them in one category.

    We have to focus more deeply on one group of Muslims: Sunni Muslims.

    Problematic groups in particular that seem to have a struggle to adapt and have a tendency towards are Arabs, Afghans and Pakistanis of Sunni Muslim background. Afghan Sunnis are a complex mix, however there is one group in particular that are problematic even in Afghanistan itself and represent the majority of members in the Taliban, the Pashtun. The Pashtuns are an overly traditional and untamed group of people who similarly follow Sunni Islam have been involved in many terrorists acts within their country and overseas like the shooting in the Gay bar in Florida. Tajiks are from Afghanistan and are mostly Sunni, however are quite the polar opposite to Pashtuns.

    However thats not to say you have peaceful groups with moderate groups that aspire to change and assimilate into western cultures such as Sunni Muslims such as the Kurds, Tajiks, Bosnians, Albanians and Turks. These groups are less religious but still time to time come back to practicing when there is a holy day, funeral or marriage.

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    Shia Muslims in many places are typically observant to a point where the women don't even wear the Hijab or the men wear traditional clothes except in the Mosque or religious ceremony. Its mostly due to Shia scholars and priests being much more tolerable to innovation and modernistaion, the Quran word for word is not taken literally and the interpretation is very different from Sunnis. This is the same across all ethnicities that are Shia whether it be Iranian, Arab, Afghan, Pakistani, Indian, etc...

    Groups which the majority are Shia are the Azerbaijanis and Iranians, who don't have any problem assimilating into Western culture and modernising their ways. These groups however are mostly nationalistic and don't care a single bit about other Muslims like Arabs and Pakistanis even their own fellow Shia.

    Shia Arabs however unlike the first 2 they are concerned about their ethno-religious identity in places like Iraq, Lebanon and Bahrain. They are usually quite open to forming connections with other groups and adapting to new cultures but religious identity as Shias is very important to them.

    You might remember these guys from the book 'The Kite Runner'. The Hazara, who are descendents of Mongol soldiers who settled in Afghanistan, as a result of their 'Asian' like appearance and religion as Shias in a mostly Sunni Afghanistan they are downright persecuted and butchered on a daily base. As refugees they are at a similar scale also persecuted in Pakistan. Many have immigrated to Australia and are well settled, with many becoming quite educated. They are the group that has suffered the most out of Islamic extremism on average on a daily occurance.

    Indian and Pakistanis Shias I honestly don't know a lot about, even though there are a lot of them there isn't a whole lot of attention given to them. They are mostly quite reserved and are not very politically active. However they are similar in many aspects to the above Shia groups I have mentioned.
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Hazara - The legitimate refugees. Thousands and thousands of them have been settled in Australia with no qualms or controversies.

    They respect the values of the country they reside in, haven't commited any crimes or acts of terrorism, care about education and are most proud of the country they now belong to. They don't protest against the country which has given them a home and an opportunity to prosper, but protest against the nations that have oppressed them and forced them to flee.





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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    I was open to that notion but after understanding the true extent of incessant rampage and violations in Western countries perpetrated by Muslim refugees, I no longer categorise Sunni, Shia or whatever; it's all the same shit to me.

    You don't need to be armed to the teeth with explosives to terrorise and traumatise.

    I understand that there's tolerant and learned Muslims, I'm not denying that but these refugees breeding like rats in Western countries only to have their offspring terrorise and fuel this fire, I don't stand for that.
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwell View Post
    I was open to that notion but after understanding the true extent of incessant rampage and violations in Western countries perpetrated by Muslim refugees, I no longer categorise Sunni, Shia or whatever; it's all the same shit to me.

    You don't need to be armed to the teeth with explosives to terrorise and traumatise.

    I understand that there's tolerant and learned Muslims, I'm not denying that but these refugees breeding like rats in Western countries only to have their offspring terrorise and fuel this fire, I don't stand for that.
    You are from Iraq man and you should know more.

    90% of Muslims are Sunni. 10% of Shia. Shias are radically different from Sunni Muslims in a lot of interpretations and adherence.

    99.99% of the world wide terrorism is commited by Sunni Muslims. According to our own Australian authorities Sunni Muslims have a tendency towards extremism and all of the people convicted of terrorism offences are Sunnis.

    How can you classify that they are the same? Who are the real aggresssors?
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Yeah, and due to the overwhelming majority of Sunni > Shia, I just tend not to categorise, because the Islamic faith is dominantly comprised of these assholes.

    Look, I'm not saying bar entry for those who really need it. I'm saying that those dirty scum refugees entering Western countries now should be made to fuck off with extreme prejudice.

    However, in saying this, I'd advocate that we push for greater focus on the Assyrians for obvious reasons.

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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwell View Post
    Yeah, and due to the overwhelming majority of Sunni > Shia, I just tend not to categorise, because the Islamic faith is dominantly comprised of these assholes.

    Look, I'm not saying bar entry for those who really need it. I'm saying that those dirty scum refugees entering Western countries now should be made to fuck off with extreme prejudice.

    However, in saying this, I'd advocate that we push for greater focus on the Assyrians for obvious reasons.
    To be honest Assyrians in Saddam's Iraq were living the best quality lives and had much more rights than other groups. Even though the Sunni Arabs and Iraqi Christians had the most rights and living the best quality life, meanwhile the Shia (majority of Iraq) were being butchered one by one. Till to this day you will keep finding some mass grave of Shias not just from ISIS as of now even from Saddam's times.

    Yes in the state of current Iraq with ISIS raging on, however I feel this is a short term issue. Assyrians will able to come back to their home in no less than 5 years. They will be living the same way as they were before.

    That all aside, let make it clear. Groups that are minorities and are actually persecuted and will continue to be regardless of the change in circumstances, should have refugee status and be allowed to permanently settle.

    All the rest should apply through non-refugee means and should be cleared of any extremists beliefs and overly religious/traditional tendencies which even surpass those of the person's country of origin. We also need to consider what there children or unborn children could end up as a result of their background and parents.
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    I only hope, for the sake of maintaining an individual Assyrian identity and people, that the Assyrians come together and exercise any means to re-establish Assyria, much like the Jews for Israel.

    If we are talking severity pertaining to the preservation of a race with a unique tongue, identity, and culture, we need not look further than the Assyrians - of which, roughly, four million remain, many in this diaspore of residency in land of untraditional Assyrian settlement. I'd push for their safekeeping as opposed to any number of the 200 million Shias that are still around.
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Firstly, fuck the Kurds, they're incestuous thieves whose contributions to this fight against ISIS is to come out on top as heroes. They steal Assyrian innovations, land and culture and claim it as their own. Operation Anfal makes me inexplicably happy; not only was Saddam good to the Assyrians, he was savage towards those animals.

    I'm against Assyrians fleeing their historic homeland - and either way, many of them choose to stay and fight. However, these are still people that are persecuted and unfortunately, on many occasions, singled out by these ISIS dogs for torture and execution. In addition to your remark about whether or not I'd go and resettle Nineveh - I love Australia, I'm highly patriotic and indebted to this great nation but I would leave to resettle Nineveh if and when the time comes.

    However, in response to whether I'd leave my luxurious Western lifestyle to go and fight, then no, I wouldn't. It doesn't even boil down to cowardice or fear, it's just my family moved her in search of a better life; one where I can be educated and free, and I feel my time would be better spent contributing to the unification of the Assyrians and the devised platform for our concern through my education and studies, then it is to go and patrol a foreign land, armed with a weapon, fighting a war the Assyrians shouldn't even be in.

    Also, I do realise that 'Assyrian' isn't a religion - my intent was to point out that I'd rather assist any of the Assyrians who are Iraqi and Syrian minorities, than the bulk Iraqi and Syrian Muslim population.

    I care more for the land of Assyrian traditional settlement, and the Assyrians that reside on it, than the Iraqi Muslims, who shouldn't even be there.
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    Quote Originally Posted by Orwell View Post
    Operation Anfal makes me inexplicably happy; not only was Saddam good to the Assyrians, he was savage towards those animals.
    I sense your frustration and respect your views, even agree with a lot of it. What you said here about the Kurds is just too far.

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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    These buffoons were unhinged in their contributions to the genocide of the Assyrians, so I too won't shed a tear for them; not until they make amends.
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    Re: Let Them Stay: protesters gather around Australia to prevent return of asylum see

    the assyrian empire was pretty evil


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