Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 153
Like Tree49Likes

Thread: Announcement from BOSTES/NESA - 2019 Syllabus Changes for Calculus courses

  1. #1
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Announcement from BOSTES/NESA - 2019 Syllabus Changes for Calculus courses

    There will be an announcement from BOSTES next Wednesday at the MANSW conference involving a significant change to the calculus courses.

    There is no official word yet about what this might be.

    But there is a rumour going around that it will be a formula sheet in HSC exams for ALL the courses (just like General get now).

    I'll let you know more later.

  2. #2
    Exalted Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,093
    Rep Power
    6

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by tywebb View Post
    There will be an announcement from BOSTES next Wednesday at the MANSW conference involving a significant change to the calculus courses.

    There is no official word yet about what this might be.

    But there is a rumour going around that it will be a formula sheet in HSC exams for ALL the courses (just like General get now).

    I'll let you know more later.
    The formula sheet idea has been known for some time now. It gets mentioned regularly at in-service courses.
    I suspect it might be something more significant than that.

  3. #3
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Yeah. It's been talked about a lot. But no official word yet from BOSTES on the issue.

    It might be other stuff, but most people who are going to the conference seem to think it is the formula sheet.

  4. #4
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Maybe I'll write an exam with just 1 question.

    And the question will be to prove all the formulas on the formula sheet!

  5. #5
    not actually a porcupine porcupinetree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    661
    Rep Power
    2

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by tywebb View Post
    There will be an announcement from BOSTES next Wednesday at the MANSW conference involving a significant change to the calculus courses.

    There is no official word yet about what this might be.

    But there is a rumour going around that it will be a formula sheet in HSC exams for ALL the courses (just like General get now).

    I'll let you know more later.
    Pleeeeaaase no. I guess they might just trying to stop the growing trend to undertake General Maths 2 instead of 2U (and above)?
    Bachelor of Science (Advanced Mathematics) @ USYD

  6. #6
    Counting Stars mreditor16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    HSC
    2014
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    3,139
    Rep Power
    5

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Oh wow, this will be interesting. Keep us posted, tywebb and braintic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carrotsticks View Post
    cos I'm thirsty af always
    Quote Originally Posted by teridax View Post
    +1 BoS went to a whole new level of stupid.

  7. #7
    Metallic Oxide iforgotmyname's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    740
    Rep Power
    2

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    PLease tell me their going to remove conics from 4unit and add in calculus into general
    GoldBoa likes this.
    Why I love confessions

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowdude View Post
    yes - but there are always new cute white grills to hit on more and more turn 18 every day

  8. #8
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    HSC
    2017
    Gender
    Female
    Posts
    173
    Rep Power
    2

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Ohh exciting!! It better be good change though.

  9. #9
    Retired '16 Speed6's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    2,970
    Rep Power
    3

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Would Bostes' change come quickly?

  10. #10
    Ancient Orator leehuan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    5,613
    Rep Power
    6

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by iforgotmyname View Post
    PLease tell me their going to remove conics from 4unit and add in calculus into general
    ^
    _______________
    A formula sheet though eh? Reminds me of VCE.
    Last edited by leehuan; 28 Sep 2015 at 12:06 AM.

  11. #11
    Exalted Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,093
    Rep Power
    6

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Other possibilities based on discussion that has gone on:

    (1) Extension 1 does only one exam (as was the case when I was at school)

    (2) The number of topics in each course to be reduced, with more emphasis placed on depth of understanding

    (3) Common topics between 2 Unit Maths and General 2 maths, and common questions between their exams

    (4) Statistics not to be included, contrary to the Australian curriculum

    (5) 2 unit only students and Extension 1 students do different 2 unit courses (and different 2 unit exams)

    (6) A PIP for the internal assessment

    (7) Ext 2 students allowed to sit the 2 unit exam. I believe the aim is to give students a fallback if they don't do well at Ext 2 - I don't believe the aim is to allow students to count 6 units of maths towards their ATAR

    (8) All courses should include real-life modelling applications

    (9) A 4 unit course available in year 11

    (10) A non-calculator section for all exams

    (11) Technology more sophisticated than a scientific calculator should be permitted in exams

    (12) A cap on the number of internal assessments


    Note that these were only proposals from last October. I'm not sure how many were taken seriously.

  12. #12
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Here are the published proposed changes from last year (on page 22 of http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au...on-2014-08.pdf )


    Preliminary Mathematics 2 Unit

    Approximately six topics focusing on areas of Mathematics such as real numbers, algebra, functions, graphs, geometry, trigonometry, differential calculus, sequences and series, and descriptive statistics.

    A number of modelling topics focusing on applications of Mathematics from other topics in the Preliminary course and utilising techniques from other topics in the course and earlier courses, such as applications involving real functions and applications of series to finance.

    HSC Mathematics 2 Unit

    Approximately six topics focusing on areas of Mathematics such as differential calculus, integral calculus, probability, trigonometry, exponential and logarithmic functions, descriptive statistics, and random variables.

    A number of modelling topics focusing on applications of Mathematics from other topics in the HSC course, and utilising techniques from other topics in the course and earlier courses, such as applications involving probability and finance, applications to the natural environment.

    Preliminary Mathematics Extension 1

    Approximately six topics focusing on areas of Mathematics such as circle geometry, further algebra, polynomials, functions, graphs, trigonometry, series, elementary difference equations, random variables, and the normal distribution.

    HSC Mathematics Extension 1

    Approximately six topics focusing on areas of Mathematics such as mathematical induction, binomial theorem, methods and applications of integration, further trigonometry, inverse functions and the inverse trigonometric functions, and further applications of calculus.

    Mathematics Extension 2

    Approximately eight topics focusing on areas of Mathematics such as further inequalities, complex numbers, polynomials, functions, graphs, vectors, integration techniques, volumes, modelling with functions and derivatives, mechanics, difference equations, and statistical inference.
    Last edited by tywebb; 28 Sep 2015 at 5:45 AM.

  13. #13
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    There is a problem with it though. It is supposed to be that "the new syllabuses will support implementation of Australian curriculum content" according to this page: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au...-sci-hist.html

    But the state ministers met last December and put a stop to the development of the senior national curriculum: http://4unitmaths.com/nc-y11-12shelved.pdf

    Furthermore, to follow BOSTES syllabus development processes there would have to be more to it than just making an announcement at a conference.

    There would have to be 4 phases: Syllabus Review, Writing Brief Development, Syllabus Development, Implementation in accordance with the syllabus development handbook at http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au...t-handbook.pdf. So far NONE of this has happened.

    So whilst you might think there might be more significant announcements next Wednesday than just a formula sheet in exams, BOSTES is significantly constrained by their own policies and procedures as to what changes they can announce.

    They may well announce a syllabus development process to begin. But that would be very early stages, not a finished product - and would have to digress AWAY from the national curriculum.

    So realistically at this stage I think the most we can expect is just a formula sheet.

    There may be other stuff though so as I said before I'll let you know later any more details in the announcement.
    Last edited by tywebb; 28 Sep 2015 at 5:11 AM.

  14. #14
    Ancient Orator leehuan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    5,613
    Rep Power
    6

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    What I think about all of this:

    Original point in post - 6/10
    I kind of pride our curriculum for having high performing cohorts (especially in the more rigorous courses) without anything besides a table of standard integrals which isn't even necessary. But far too many people are choosing general these days, and one of the contributing factors is this. Because we need an increase in amount of students capable of handling calculus etc. this could work.

    Extension 1 does one exam - 7/10
    Lightens workload. But I feel Ext 1 should be pushed.

    Topics reduced - 7/10
    Having a diversity of topics in the maths courses allows students to appreciate more areas within mathematics, yet at the same time some could argue that the exams do assess this and that everywhere. Lesser topics allows a more in depth treatment of them and a stronger focus on them in the exams.

    Common between 2U/Gen - 6/10
    This depends on to what degree are they common. For anything <30% I'm probably for it, because that means when 2U students drop to general they aren't at a complete disadvantage. But 2U is supposed to examine much harder topics within maths so...

    No statistics - 9/10
    Biased perspective.

    Different 2U exams for 2U/Ext 1 - 8/10
    2U students complain about competing against people stronger all the time. If the Ext1-2U exam is ridiculously harder than the 2U-2U exam then this is pointless, but treating them as different cohorts gives 2U a better chance to show that they excel amongst their fellow 2U only candidates.

    PIP - Is this the thing they do in Soc/Culture?

    Ext 2 allowed to take 2U - 10/10
    Ext 2 don't need to fear messing up their exams now. But this is only good provided its optional.

    Real-life modelling - 8/10
    Though I take interest in maths as a whole, I feel that if more treatment is given to why we learn this students can be more appreciative of how powerful maths can be in society. Real-life modelling beyond the hypothetical scenarios of applications of calculus is one way of achieving this. Except, would it be too hard at the HSC level?

    4U Yr 11 - 6/10
    You're...throwing the poor year 11's into the deep end immediately. This would only appeal to people like me who dead serious love maths and excel at it, and already know it as early as year 10

    Non-calculator section - 6/10
    Why?

    Beyond the scientific calculator - No rating
    This is ambiguous. Maths should force the students to interpret everything from a logical perspective, yet at the same time we love to punch numbers into all sorts of software and let them do the hard work for us. Not saying that that's all we do, but with that in mind I'm unsure about this.

    Internal assessment cap - No rating
    I'm not a teacher, none of my business

  15. #15
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    I cannot yet confirm this but there is a possibility that the announcement will be filmed and the video published online!

    I know the official conference cameraman. It is none other than the esteemed Eddie Woo of wootube fame.

    He has to get permission from BOSTES before it can happen though.

    I will let you know if this will happen. I know he will be filming all the keynote presentations so hopefully the BOSTES announcement will get the approval for a film to be made too.

  16. #16
    Ancient Orator leehuan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    5,613
    Rep Power
    6

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by tywebb View Post
    I cannot yet confirm this but there is a possibility that the announcement will be filmed and the video published online!

    I know the official conference cameraman. It is none other than the esteemed Eddie Woo of wootube fame.

    He has to get permission from BOSTES before it can happen though.

    I will let you know if this will happen. I know he will be filming all the keynote presentations so hopefully the BOSTES announcement will get the approval for a film to be made too.
    50/10
    porcupinetree likes this.

  17. #17
    Rambling Spirit astroman's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Location
    UTS
    Posts
    7,083
    Rep Power
    7

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Eddie

  18. #18
    The pessimistic optimist. BLIT2014's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    HSC
    2014
    Uni Grad
    2018
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Location
    In my head
    Posts
    8,620
    Rep Power
    9

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by porcupinetree View Post
    Pleeeeaaase no. I guess they might just trying to stop the growing trend to undertake General Maths 2 instead of 2U (and above)?
    What's so bad about having a formula sheet?
    Non scholæ sed vitæ discimus

    Got 1-2 minutes ? Please do my survey :P https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8ZPYZSD

  19. #19
    not actually a porcupine porcupinetree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    HSC
    2015
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    661
    Rep Power
    2

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by BLIT2014 View Post
    What's so bad about having a formula sheet?
    I just feel like it would encourage a lack of understanding regarding lots of the formulae/identities encountered in the calculus based courses. For example, lots of my friends who do general maths have mentioned that they have no idea where the (general maths) formulae come from, or how they are derived, or why they even work. Obviously it wouldn't be an identical scenario if >2U had a formula sheet, but nonetheless I don't think it'd be a helpful addition.

    That being said, a formula sheet wouldn't be that bad - there are much worse things they could do.
    Bachelor of Science (Advanced Mathematics) @ USYD

  20. #20
    The pessimistic optimist. BLIT2014's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    HSC
    2014
    Uni Grad
    2018
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Location
    In my head
    Posts
    8,620
    Rep Power
    9

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by porcupinetree View Post
    I just feel like it would encourage a lack of understanding regarding lots of the formulae/identities encountered in the calculus based courses. For example, lots of my friends who do general maths have mentioned that they have no idea where the (general maths) formulae come from, or how they are derived, or why they even work. Obviously it wouldn't be an identical scenario if >2U had a formula sheet, but nonetheless I don't think it'd be a helpful addition.

    That being said, a formula sheet wouldn't be that bad - there are much worse things they could do.
    Probably because General Mathematics isn't a proof based course, so they are unlikely to be really taught how they really worked or derived
    Non scholæ sed vitæ discimus

    Got 1-2 minutes ? Please do my survey :P https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8ZPYZSD

  21. #21
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    HSC
    2016
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    140
    Rep Power
    2

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    But if you doing 2u the problem isn't remembering the formulas it is implementing them in harder questions. I think 2u people should already have memorised all the formulas, there aren't even that many.
    MX2 - ADV - BUS - ECO - SOR1

  22. #22
    Counting Stars mreditor16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    HSC
    2014
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    3,139
    Rep Power
    5

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    When would the change announced be likely to be implemented?
    Quote Originally Posted by Carrotsticks View Post
    cos I'm thirsty af always
    Quote Originally Posted by teridax View Post
    +1 BoS went to a whole new level of stupid.

  23. #23
    Counting Stars mreditor16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    HSC
    2014
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    3,139
    Rep Power
    5

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    I would be saddened if BOSTES did introduce a formula sheet for all mathematics examinations.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carrotsticks View Post
    cos I'm thirsty af always
    Quote Originally Posted by teridax View Post
    +1 BoS went to a whole new level of stupid.

  24. #24
    dangerman
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    789
    Rep Power
    10

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by mreditor16 View Post
    When would the change announced be likely to be implemented?
    We'll find out on Wednesday.
    mreditor16 likes this.

  25. #25
    Exalted Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    HSC
    N/A
    Gender
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,093
    Rep Power
    6

    Re: Announcement from BOSTES - significant change to calculus courses

    Quote Originally Posted by mreditor16 View Post
    When would the change announced be likely to be implemented?
    Last I heard, the new syllabus was due to be in place for yr 12 2018. But given that this would mean it would need to be finalised by the end of 2016, I think that might be a little ambitious. But I guess a formula sheet does not require a new syllabus.

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •