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Old 2 Jul 2009, 11:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, why do melting and boiling points of a compound depend on its molecular mass?

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Re: Melting/Boiling points

if its a non-polar substance, because the greater the molecular mass, the stronger the dispersion forces. Stronger intermolecular forces mean it is harder to break up 2 molecules, and thus it has a higher melting nd boiling point.
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Re: Melting/Boiling points

What if it's polar?

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Re: Melting/Boiling points

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if its a non-polar substance, because the greater the molecular mass, the stronger the dispersion forces. Stronger intermolecular forces mean it is harder to break up 2 molecules, and thus it has a higher melting nd boiling point.
o i thought that all molecules, polar and non polar had dispersion forces according to their size and mass, thats y we can get all elements as a solid because there are dispersion forces present in all molecular bonds.
the non-polar substances have the dipole-dipole bonds requiring more energy to break these bonds. (lol im hesitant about questioning you because i saw what ur HSC results were =s)

so to op this i what i think.
as mass and size of the molecules increase they create stonger dispersion forces, requiring larger amounts of energy to break these bonds.
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Re: Melting/Boiling points

The way I understand it, the larger the molecule, the more electrons that are displaced to create the temporary dipole and hence the greater the force between molecules.

In order for a substance to melt and then boil, intermolecular forces must be overcome. Thus, the stronger the intermolecular forces, the higher the melting/boiling points.

Consequently, the larger the molecule, the higher the melting and boiling points of that substance.
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o i thought that all molecules, polar and non polar had dispersion forces according to their size and mass, thats y we can get all elements as a solid because there are dispersion forces present in all molecular bonds.
the non-polar substances have the dipole-dipole bonds requiring more energy to break these bonds. (lol im hesitant about questioning you because i saw what ur HSC results were =s)

so to op this i what i think.
as mass and size of the molecules increase they create stonger dispersion forces, requiring larger amounts of energy to break these bonds.
I think what Pwnage101 was trying to say was that since non-polar molecules only have dispersion forces and nothing else as their intermolecular bonds. That is why the higher the molecular mass the higher the molecular mass the higher the melting/boiling point. Polar substances also have dispersion forces but it is more difficult to find the melting/boiling point as you have to take into account the differences in electronegativity.
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