Amount of Detail??

kerry · 29 Oct 2005, 6:59 PM

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Hey there fellow bio-chemers,

I'm glad we all chose such a ripper of an option!!!

i officially have more biochem notes than all threes cores combined!!

the syllabus doesn't help me any with this, si i'll lay it on your shoulders!!

in how much detail are we to know respiration and its three stages? eg am i required to the seven steps of glycolysis and about diphosophoglyceraldehyde? or just that it ends up as pyruvic acid?

and the same again with the krebs cycle and isocitrate, or just what happens and approximately where?

peace

shortie_89 · 29 Oct 2005, 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry

i officially have more biochem notes than all threes cores combined!!

lol me 2!! still glad i picked biochem though..
i don't think we need to go into heaps crazy detail.. just a basic understanding of what's going on.
my chem teacher said to pick one of the stages of the TCA cycle and know the enzyme that allows for that stage of the reaction, might come in handy.
i've gone through each of the steps for glycolysis in detail, not so much to learn for the exams but to help me actually understand and remember what's going on..
i don't think they could ask a question asking us to detail an exact step or to describe each step... (could they??... please..... no......... NOOOOOOOOOOO!!)
good luck with it
ps tell me everything you know about viscosity! i got nothing... need help

pls

kerry · 29 Oct 2005, 7:24 PM

haha alright...

here goes...

viscosity in general terms, from somewhere in the darkest recesses of my mind, is the resistance a liquid has to pouring.

glycerol has a very large hydrogen bonding capacity. this is why glycerol is very soluble in water.

due to the relatively small molecule size and tight packing made possible by H bonding between glycerol molecules, it has a high viscosity (all goopy and sticky)

help you any?

now you...

lol tell me what NADH is and how it yields ATP...

no i joke i joke

you add anything you would like to review or just get out there because it is driving you insane bouncing around in your head

anyone else can play to!!

shortie_89 · 30 Oct 2005, 12:33 PM

thanx for the viscosity stuff it did help...
lol i would also like to add that the very last dot point of biochem is possibly THE SINGLE MOST DUMBEST DOT POINT EVER!!! (haha yes i no im illiterate 2, thank u v much) it is totally unrelated and so stupid..... grrr stupid brainless BOS
i'd be worried if u had to ask me what NADH was...

can't really think of any other things to ask about but i'm sure i'll think of something on tuesday night at 11:00pm... lol...

Sepulchres · 30 Oct 2005, 4:22 PM

I wouldnt imagine you;d have to know it in that much detail i.e. the 8 stops in the TCA cycle, etc. However, make sure you know the overall picture of what going on. And like shortie_89 said, if it helps you understand it better then go into detail. I do that sometimes.

The_highwayman · 30 Oct 2005, 4:27 PM

Got no idea what u guys are talkin about but forensics is better!

Ciao

phoenix88 · 31 Oct 2005, 1:11 PM

u got to pick your option

we got stuck with biochem -- bloody larger then all the core topics

according to our teacher the more detail teh better with biochem

kerry · 31 Oct 2005, 1:16 PM

hey at least you had a teacher!!!!!

I don't know what the HSC has been like thus far for all of you, but my exam papers have all been rather indirect and difficult to discern what on earth the question is asking.

I HOPE chemistry is NOT like that, otherwise... i resign!

but incase noone has anything they need help with, GOOD LUCK!!!! and i shall see you on the other side!

shortie_89 · 31 Oct 2005, 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenix88

u got to pick your option

we sure did... our chem teacher put in heaps of effort so we could all do wot we wanted.. we only have a class of about 11 so its manageable... there's 4 of us doing biochem, 2 doing industrial chem and the rest do forensics

we got to pick in physics as well

ah the benefits of small dodgy country public schools

how come u dont have a teacher kerry? do u do distance ed? or home school? or is the teacher just 'not there'?? lol

EmmR · 9 Nov 2006, 5:30 PM

i'm so dead

frezzel · 9 Nov 2006, 5:42 PM

Anyone else finding it annoying that most of the books/test papers don't have biochem? I have one book of test papers that has the questions, but the author couldn't be assed to do answers....

Oh and for further annoyance i rang the advice line yesterday. It went like this:

'hi, i have a question about biochemistry'

'oh ok....hang on a minute i'll put you onto someone...'

'hello? Oh thank god, i thought there wasn't going to be a biochem person'

'ahh sorry to dissappoint you but i actually teach forensics'

'ummm....what...?'

'i'll put you on callback...someone will call you soon'

.

.

.
.

1 day later and still nothing.....seems biochem teachers are a dying species.

Oh well, good luck fellow biochemers!

btw only level of detail u will need to know is

glucose - 2pyruvate - 2acetyl-CoA - krebs - oxydative phosphorylation

Of course know how much atp, nadh and fadh2 are produced..

Anything else is a bonus!

Frezz

asparagushills2 · 28 Aug 2007, 5:32 PM

ive learnt it in detail, but i just hope i dont contradict myself in te answer, also i havent gone into the stop levels etc, my tutor believes thats uni grade so not to worry about it, yet.

29 Oct 2005, 6:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
kerry New Member HSC: N/A Gender: Female Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15 Last Activity: 6 Mar 2006, 4:12 PM	Amount of Detail?? You can hide this advertisement by registering. Hey there fellow bio-chemers, I'm glad we all chose such a ripper of an option!!! i officially have more biochem notes than all threes cores combined!! the syllabus doesn't help me any with this, si i'll lay it on your shoulders!! in how much detail are we to know respiration and its three stages? eg am i required to the seven steps of glycolysis and about diphosophoglyceraldehyde? or just that it ends up as pyruvic acid? and the same again with the krebs cycle and isocitrate, or just what happens and approximately where? peace

29 Oct 2005, 7:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
kerry New Member HSC: N/A Gender: Female Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15 Last Activity: 6 Mar 2006, 4:12 PM	haha alright... here goes... viscosity in general terms, from somewhere in the darkest recesses of my mind, is the resistance a liquid has to pouring. glycerol has a very large hydrogen bonding capacity. this is why glycerol is very soluble in water. due to the relatively small molecule size and tight packing made possible by H bonding between glycerol molecules, it has a high viscosity (all goopy and sticky) help you any? now you... lol tell me what NADH is and how it yields ATP... no i joke i joke you add anything you would like to review or just get out there because it is driving you insane bouncing around in your head anyone else can play to!! Last edited by kerry; 29 Oct 2005 at 7:38 PM.

30 Oct 2005, 4:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sepulchres t3h sultan HSC: 2005 Gender: Male Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 463 Last Activity: 8 Sep 2008, 3:22 AM	I wouldnt imagine you;d have to know it in that much detail i.e. the 8 stops in the TCA cycle, etc. However, make sure you know the overall picture of what going on. And like shortie_89 said, if it helps you understand it better then go into detail. I do that sometimes. __________________ The dogs of war don't negotiate The dogs of war won't capitulate, They will take and you will give, And you must die so that they may live You can knock at any door, But wherever you go, you know they've been there before Well winners can lose and things can get strained But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.

31 Oct 2005, 1:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
phoenix88 ... timmy ... HSC: 2005 Gender: Male Location: Sydney Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 41 Last Activity: 5 Mar 2008, 9:21 AM	u got to pick your option we got stuck with biochem -- bloody larger then all the core topics according to our teacher the more detail teh better with biochem Last edited by phoenix88; 31 Oct 2005 at 1:22 PM.

9 Nov 2006, 5:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
EmmR Vegetarian Noodles!!! HSC: 2006 Gender: Female Location: bankstown Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22 Last Activity: 20 Apr 2007, 9:44 PM	Re: Amount of Detail?? i'm so dead __________________ Don't worry!, Theres more to life then the Hsc, more to life then making money. find a hobby, live life, heck get yourself a religion.

30 Oct 2005, 12:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
shortie_89 Assistant Member HSC: 2005 Gender: Female Location: the middle of nowhere (aka wagga) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61 Last Activity: 10 Feb 2006, 11:44 AM	thanx for the viscosity stuff it did help... lol i would also like to add that the very last dot point of biochem is possibly THE SINGLE MOST DUMBEST DOT POINT EVER!!! (haha yes i no im illiterate 2, thank u v much) it is totally unrelated and so stupid..... grrr stupid brainless BOS i'd be worried if u had to ask me what NADH was... can't really think of any other things to ask about but i'm sure i'll think of something on tuesday night at 11:00pm... lol...

30 Oct 2005, 4:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
The_highwayman Banned HSC: 2005 Gender: Male Location: It's what I want that's easy. It's getting it that's complicated. Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 4,354 Last Activity: 19 Nov 2009, 11:27 PM	Got no idea what u guys are talkin about but forensics is better! Ciao

31 Oct 2005, 1:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
kerry New Member HSC: N/A Gender: Female Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15 Last Activity: 6 Mar 2006, 4:12 PM	hey at least you had a teacher!!!!! I don't know what the HSC has been like thus far for all of you, but my exam papers have all been rather indirect and difficult to discern what on earth the question is asking. I HOPE chemistry is NOT like that, otherwise... i resign! but incase noone has anything they need help with, GOOD LUCK!!!! and i shall see you on the other side!

9 Nov 2006, 5:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
frezzel Junior Member HSC: 2006 Gender: Female Location: Sydney Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 39 Last Activity: 21 Aug 2008, 8:43 AM	Re: Amount of Detail?? Anyone else finding it annoying that most of the books/test papers don't have biochem? I have one book of test papers that has the questions, but the author couldn't be assed to do answers.... Oh and for further annoyance i rang the advice line yesterday. It went like this: 'hi, i have a question about biochemistry' 'oh ok....hang on a minute i'll put you onto someone...' 'hello? Oh thank god, i thought there wasn't going to be a biochem person' 'ahh sorry to dissappoint you but i actually teach forensics' 'ummm....what...?' 'i'll put you on callback...someone will call you soon' . . . . 1 day later and still nothing.....seems biochem teachers are a dying species. Oh well, good luck fellow biochemers! btw only level of detail u will need to know is glucose - 2pyruvate - 2acetyl-CoA - krebs - oxydative phosphorylation Of course know how much atp, nadh and fadh2 are produced.. Anything else is a bonus! Frezz __________________ I see you've played knifey-spooney before!

28 Aug 2007, 5:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
asparagushills2 New Member HSC: 2007 Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 16 Last Activity: 19 Dec 2008, 7:28 PM	Re: Amount of Detail?? ive learnt it in detail, but i just hope i dont contradict myself in te answer, also i havent gone into the stop levels etc, my tutor believes thats uni grade so not to worry about it, yet.

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