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Old 17 May 2005, 9:01 PM   #16 (permalink)
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they are dark, and angsty
I've been told a million times to avoid angst at all costs. It's killing my word count!
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yeah, they struck me as sort of beat poet titles aswell, they look really similar to the titles on several of the poetry forums and things like that. it seems to have a real street feel to it, very strong connotations of words and activism about it, almost like de la rocha or someone like that
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I've been told a million times to avoid angst at all costs. It's killing my word count!
yeah, i can understand that. i know it is difficult to describe really intense emotions like that without falling into trite expressions. its similar when trying to write love poetry
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yeah, i can understand that. i know it is difficult to describe really intense emotions like that without falling into trite expressions. its similar when trying to write love poetry
It's actually easier to write love poetry. Having said that, mine all end on a sour note. A reflection on bitter reality perhaps? =P
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It's actually easier to write love poetry. Having said that, mine all end on a sour note. A reflection on bitter reality perhaps? =P
yeah, sorry, i was meaning love poetry that had more of an infatuated tone about it, like some works of Keats or Yeats
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yeah, they struck me as sort of beat poet titles aswell, they look really similar to the titles on several of the poetry forums and things like that. it seems to have a real street feel to it, very strong connotations of words and activism about it, almost like de la rocha or someone like that
Activism... That is exactly what half my poems turn out to be... questioning our social institutions and ideologies.
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I've been told a million times to avoid angst at all costs. It's killing my word count!
i dont think its wrong or anything if one uses their angst in their work, if its not cliche... if the feeling is right and the poem works then i keep the angst, if it sounds to teenage then i scrap it.
Paul Dempsy sings it best: "your not the first to think that everything has been thought before"
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i dont think its wrong or anything if one uses their angst in their work, if its not cliche... if the feeling is right and the poem works then i keep the angst, if it sounds to teenage then i scrap it.
Paul Dempsy sings it best: "your not the first to think that everything has been thought before"
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I always thought teen angst was the only variety. Assuming there are other variants that i don't know about, they should be wonderful. I'm in need of some coffee myself.
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teen angst might mean angst concerning issues prominent in teenagers, i'm not sure, someone can correct me if they feel i'm incorrect, but maybe people like The Used might be sort of exponents of teen angst, whereas maybe someone like Rob Thomas (on albums like yourself or someone like you) is probably more of a maturer version of angst)
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Although a lot of teachers might tell you not to write bleak angsty pieces, or soppy romance song lyrics, I strongly disagree.

I think if you're not original, you should avoid doing poetry altogether.

But there should be no 'don't do this' on any topic or any tone. As long as you can pull it off, nothing should be off limits.
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Although a lot of teachers might tell you not to write bleak angsty pieces, or soppy romance song lyrics, I strongly disagree.

I think if you're not original, you should avoid doing poetry altogether.

But there should be no 'don't do this' on any topic or any tone. As long as you can pull it off, nothing should be off limits.
wow, yeah, that is exactly the truth
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Although a lot of teachers might tell you not to write bleak angsty pieces, or soppy romance song lyrics, I strongly disagree.

I think if you're not original, you should avoid doing poetry altogether.

But there should be no 'don't do this' on any topic or any tone. As long as you can pull it off, nothing should be off limits.
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wow, yeah, that is exactly the truth
Exactly. why would we be doing this subject if there wasnt something in our writing?
oh, and Black Man... did you hear about The Used show, they played a 44 min set and punters had been previously told in Blunt magazine to prepare to get their pants blown off or heads ripped off or the like and yet they (The Used) did neither... such a build up, such a shame.
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and by 'teenage' i mean 'oh he hates me... now im going to slit my wrists that the 'love of my life' has just dumped me...' that sort of thing.
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But there should be no 'don't do this' on any topic or any tone. As long as you can pull it off, nothing should be off limits.
I agree that nothing should be off limits, this is art after all. My point was just that angst is very difficult to write well.
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My favourite submission:

I remember searching for these odd bits and pieces in random libraries. But i came across a teacher's book for ext 2 english. In poetry, under a "typical band e1 response":

"I love u
Yes i do
i was blue
but then i met u"

... and it goes on... I cracked up laughing so bad.
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