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Old 6 Aug 2005, 10:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i must say, i do loathe how each member of this forum believes that he or she (lest i stir the wrath of some wacky femmo-nazi) has attained divine enlightenment through the extension two english course.

'physician' has produced the superlative of banal poetry, "for in his deams he hears her screams" - congratulations, he/she/it is a mediocre rhymer (rather he/she/it has mastered rhymezone.com).

i must question the intention of 'physician's' major work. it surely was not an exploration of hackneyed poetry? surely it was not an investigation into the perversion of language? perhaps its was the crafting of forced rhyme and contrived imagery? i must say, the only "beautiful moments", as expressed in the deranged lament of 'physician', will be the time when the english language is unburdened from the ability (or lack thereof ) of a dull and commonplace year 12 poet.

perhaps, i will earn the enmity of a few forum members. i may have earnt the eternal hostility of the divinely inspired 'physician'. nevertheless, i wish good luck for all my fellow extension two english competitors.

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i must say, i do loathe how each member of this forum believes that he or she (lest i stir the wrath of some wacky femmo-nazi) has attained divine enlightenment through the extension two english course.

'physician' has produced the superlative of banal poetry, "for in his deams he hears her screams" - congratulations, he/she/it is a mediocre rhymer (rather he/she/it has mastered rhymezone.com).

i must question the intention of 'physician's' major work. it surely was not an exploration of hackneyed poetry? surely it was not an investigation into the pervesion of language? perhaps the crafting of forced rhyme and contrived imagery? i must say, the only "beautiful moments", as expressed in the deranged lament of 'physician', will be the time when the english language is unburdened from the ability (or lack thereof ) of a dull and commonplace year 12 poet.

perhaps, i will earn the enmity of a few forum members. i may have earnt the eternal hostility of the divinely inspired 'physician'. nevertheless, i wish good luck for all extension two english competitors.
would i be able to inquire as to whether you are an ee2 candidate? if this is the case i would feel somewhat saddened that you feel a compulsion to sort of put down a composer or their work in thie course. i myself am not a 'femmo-nazi' if you use the term in a derogatory sense (i'm sorry about my spelling), but i think there is a creative energy in the ee2 course that is perhaps a little bit esoteric due to the fact that it might only be something that is experienced through the sense of creativity and composition of engaging this subject.

I feel i have to strongly disagree with your application of 'dull and commonplace year 12 poet' I myself write poetry. i don't call myself a 'poet' because i think there are implications to the title of 'poet' that i dont feel i deserve, but i feel no poet is 'dull' or 'commonplace', if you feel you can apply the poetic form in a more evocative manner than physician, than please, allow us to assess your work in a similar fashion, i would be very eager to experience works from someone with your perceptions.

I urge you not to generalise those who write poetry as part of the ee2 course. if you still feel the need to, PM (private message) me and i'll explain further about how wonderful and diverse the poetry, short story and all other ee2 composers are, and if you want to express further your disposition of any members of our forum who believe to have achieved greater aestheticism as a result of this course, then i would be very welcoming and eager to discuss that with you aswell
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moreover, i most adamantly reject 'black man's' assertion that extension two english is about an esoteric path to englighenment. let us be pragmatic. it is an hsc course that allows students to attain marks for a uai. it is not a great and divine journey. it is a course that contributes to one's uai. that is all.

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moreover, i most adamantly reject 'black man's' assertion that extension two english is about an esoteric path to englighenment. let us be pragmatic. it is an hsc course that allows students to attain marks for a uai. it is not a great and divine journey. it is a course that contributes to one's uai. that is all.
i understand that perception of it, and it is a perfectly valid belief in this course, what makes the subject so diverse and amazing is the combination and embracing of so many different points of view. but i feel utilising this to the extent of belittling someone elses work is not a very kind or harmonious practise.

i never stated achieving any sense of enlightenment from the course at all, and i want to urge you to focus your creative energy upon your own work, rather than degrading others' work or beliefs in this forum.
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i must say, it is rather misleading to assume that i commented on a person's work in order to degrade or belittle. rather, i was merely identifying its weaknesses. surely you would understand the importance of a variety of criticisms? isthis not essential for the perfection of one's work? conclusively, i am not going to undermine my integrity by providing false praise.
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if you wish to offer criticism, than make it constructive, rather than using sarcastic remarks and words with negative connotation without any real suggestion for improvement. if you feel that is beyond your capabilities then the solution is to not comment at all
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coreyjk, the English Extension 2 course may in fact be a pathway to UAI success however as with all courses, it is designated to be a learning experience for those undergoing it. This is compounded by the fact that at this age most of us have never previously composed something of this size or depth before not to mention this personal. It is in the manipulation of our feelings represented in our work that we understand a small something of what proffesional composers go through and how they achieve what they do. I would think that this is a kind of enlightenment, especially for someone with a passion for literature.
I would also say that I am dissapointed that you would make assumptions about what "every" member of this forum thinks or even why they think it. It also dissapoints me that you joined a community merely to denigrate it for you assumed they held beliefs that opposed your own.
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surely, you will not persist with such futile blather. if you wish to criticise a poet's work through positive euphemisms and equivocations, fine then, do so. in this noble task you will only be undermining the directness and precision of language and meaning. i wish you luck.

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surely, you will not persist with such futile blather. if you wish to criticise a poet's work through positive euphemisms and equivocations, fine then, do so. in this noble task you will only be undermining the directness and precision of language and meaning. i wish you luck.
futile blather is what my hsc work is all about, but yes...thats beside the point. feelings are a large part of this course, and i urge you to take them into account before providing any 'direct' criticism, without suggestion for improvement
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i assumed in my first and glorious post that "each member of this forum believes that he or she (lest i stir the wrath of some wacky femmo-nazi) has attained divine enlightenment through the extension two english course". you assert that not every one of this forum holds these beliefs. however, yourself, 'black man', 'physician' and others (too various and insignificant to mention) have all upheld this belief. so, my original observation has thus far been correct.

what is your quarrel?
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"futile blather" is an aptly post modern and femmo-nazi subject. my objective suggestion for improvement is to change the subject.
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i understand your disdain for post-modernist elements. I know there has been discussion of post-modern elements in this forum, and i dont feel you have a right to repress creative energies of composers in accordance with your own interpretation of literary concepts.
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i ardently defend my criticism of post modernsim. surely, as an exponent of this wacky school of thought, you would understand the fundamental plurality of opinion and observation which accompanies post modernism? does your own honoured concept evade your understanding?
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i must say, i do loathe how each member of this forum believes that he or she (lest i stir the wrath of some wacky femmo-nazi) has attained divine enlightenment through the extension two english course.
You assume as to the level of fervor we place on this course - we have all expressed our like of it, and our dislikes.

By stating that your opinion would be censored by "some wacky femmo-nazi", you are inferring that we, the extension 2 forum members are "femmo-nazis", you also employ that term in slanderous fashion indicating your disregard for our demeanour since you obviosly consider us in this manner.



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'physician' has produced the superlative of banal poetry, "for in his deams he hears her screams" - congratulations, he/she/it is a mediocre rhymer (rather he/she/it has mastered rhymezone.com).
Employment of sarcasm rather than criticism.

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i must question the intention of 'physician's' major work. it surely was not an exploration of hackneyed poetry? surely it was not an investigation into the perversion of language? perhaps its was the crafting of forced rhyme and contrived imagery? i must say, the only "beautiful moments", as expressed in the deranged lament of 'physician', will be the time when the english language is unburdened from the ability (or lack thereof ) of a dull and commonplace year 12 poet.
Meaningless and sarcastic rhetoric(note for coreyjk: you are over using rhetoric), also an insult without any purpose.

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perhaps, i will earn the enmity of a few forum members. i may have earnt the eternal hostility of the divinely inspired 'physician'. nevertheless, i wish good luck for all my fellow extension two english competitors.
You are aware that your comments would be looked upon with distaste yet you post them anyway, even when physician having dropped this course, could not employ *any* criticism even had you been considerate enough to be constructive.

To conclude it is with that with which I take issue, you posting things for no other sake then being provocative and insulting.
Also, you seem to have contradicted yourself slightly:
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moreover, i most adamantly reject 'black man's' assertion that extension two english is about an esoteric path to englighenment. let us be pragmatic. it is an hsc course that allows students to attain marks for a uai. it is not a great and divine journey. it is a course that contributes to one's uai. that is all.
You ackowledge that it is a HSC course yet seem to believe it has no purpose other than to aid in forging one's UAI. And here I thought we went to school to learn...
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1. Physician has dropped English Extension 2, and did not ask for his work to be critiqued in this thread.
2. Insulting or derogatory comments towards any other user in this forum are not to be tolerated.
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