2006 poets, where art thou?

[black_man]

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Illoduous is very very correct. I think i might have said before that it may ultimately be a case of the mediums choosing the students as opposed to the students choosing the mediums. Engaging in EE2 is an artform, and it will be a product of your desires, influences and perceptions, and I'm sure if you were undecided as to whether poetry or a short story is your more preferable medium, it may be possible to consider both in a proposal, perhaps considering two different majors with a similar theme in both mediums. Also, you can investigate into 'poetic fiction', which is a beautiful style of prose which contains a distinct poetic lyricism and harmony (you might study Michael Ondaatje's "In the Skin of a Lion" or "Anil's Ghost" in the Advanced and Extension 1 courses respectively, these are wonderful examples of poetic fiction. Also, David Malouf and David Guterson also maintain a beautiful form of prose (look for Malouf's "An Imaginary Life" in the In The Wild elective for Advanced, and the old Crime Fiction syllabus of EE1 contained Guterson's "Snow Falling on Cedars"

[666_blessings]

Maybe we can lure people to the dark side with free chocolate...

[black_man]

perhaps it is not so much a case of no student expressing an interest in poetry for this year, it might take a little while before any student might feel entirely comfortable in a single medium, bear in mind that a number of students in the poetry forum last year did not remain for the entire year, and those of us that remained only joined after a considerable amount of time in the course. I recall i only joined in late november or early december, and upon consultation of the 'mediums' poll that justin arranged, it seems there are very few students in any medium outside the critical response and short story.

[super katie]

I remember that there were barely any people on this forum doing poetry for my year. I always just put it down to the fact that poetry is such an intensely personal medium that alot of people have objections to sharing their work with complete strangers. I was also pretty worried about plagiarism, seeing as its alot easier to plagiarise a single poem or a few lines from a poem than it is to seemlessly plagiarise a section of a critical response or short story. But yes I may be completely wrong, its just a guess.

I think chocolate is a good idea to lure people in though... or maybe jubes mmmmm sugar....

[Estel]

heh at all this stuff about "the medium chooses you" and poetry being "intensely personal"

I've always believed poetry is 99% showmanship and 1% dartboard... rather like any other medium.

[black_man]

Originally Posted by Estel

heh at all this stuff about "the medium chooses you" and poetry being "intensely personal"

I've always believed poetry is 99% showmanship and 1% dartboard... rather like any other medium.

might i inquire as to whether you are or have previously undertaken EE2? I assure you that undertaking any medium has it's own complications, and poetry is perhaps no different. The possibilities of the form are amazing, as evidenced by the differences in works from 2003,2004 and 2005. While some maintain poetry as a 'personal form', there is a versatility that allows students to explore other areas (refer to Katie's MW in 2004 as a wonderful example)

[super katie]

Originally Posted by Estel

I've always believed poetry is 99% showmanship and 1% dartboard... rather like any other medium.

haha yeah alot of it is showing off, but thats what ee2 is there for, to show off your skills. But about it being intensely personal, i guess it depends what you're writing about. Some of the incidents that I wrote about were intensely personal for me because they were about what happened to friends of mine and directly affected us all. I guess it just depends on your subject matter and how much you value your work.

[Estel]

Originally Posted by black_man

might i inquire as to whether you are or have previously undertaken EE2? I assure you that undertaking any medium has it's own complications, and poetry is perhaps no different. The possibilities of the form are amazing, as evidenced by the differences in works from 2003,2004 and 2005. While some maintain poetry as a 'personal form', there is a versatility that allows students to explore other areas (refer to Katie's MW in 2004 as a wonderful example)

In response to your question: yes I have done EE2 though I don't think that fact is particularly relevant. (Short story, though I did spend a lot of time researching the poetry medium because I did experiment with blending the two).

It's true that every medium has its complications, but at our level I hardly think we are specialising in any true sense. There's enough crossover between poetry and short stories to be able to switch between them (and perhaps that is possible even at a high level- Poe immediately comes to mind). Ideas of poetry as a 'personal form' are pure BS- all forms are about persuading the reader you've written something for them. Excessive introspection might look romantic but it's really only self indulgence.

super katie: I agree, but I still think you could say the same about any other form.


This is all of course just my humble opinion, and merely for the sake of discussion rather than to be a pain in the backside.

[super katie]

Originally Posted by Estel

In response to your question: yes I have done EE2 though I don't think that fact is particularly relevant. (Short story, though I did spend a lot of time researching the poetry medium because I did experiment with blending the two).

It's true that every medium has its complications, but at our level I hardly think we are specialising in any true sense. There's enough crossover between poetry and short stories to be able to switch between them (and perhaps that is possible even at a high level- Poe immediately comes to mind). Ideas of poetry as a 'personal form' are pure BS- all forms are about persuading the reader you've written something for them. Excessive introspection might look romantic but it's really only self indulgence.

super katie: I agree, but I still think you could say the same about any other form.


This is all of course just my humble opinion, and merely for the sake of discussion rather than to be a pain in the backside.

haha its nice to see some life in this forum I wasnt trying to start a debate about the relative personal nature of different forms, just speculating on why there wasnt a great deal of conversation or sharing of works in this forum as opposed to others.

[black_man]

I think katie is correct in saying that poetry is very accessible in terms of plagiarism, though perhaps it is a similar sort of issue in other forums. Bear in mind the candidature for poetry is rather small, and perhaps it's simply a case of those that are involved might work very independently. I'm not sure, but Estel is definately correct in the sense that poetry, at least in this course, is definately concerned with the ability to reflect a real kind of sophistication and competence in the poetic form, though it might perhaps might fluctuate between the extremes of sophistication and intospection. I can imagine that a work that might intend to present itself as extremely sophisticated might appear somewhat sterile, just as there is a danger of self-indulgence in an over-emphasis on introspection, though maybe there is a middle ground that can sort of be obtained where readers can engage with what is being read, rather than being too distant or too kind of smothered by it

[katykins]

isnt life grand.
two months to hand in my major work..
ee2 <3

[katykins]

nope..
i stayed well away from all the political/world stuff.
mine's more to do with the human condition, the human person him/herself.

[katykins]

Originally Posted by LottoX

When one does explore society, it is innately critical that we must, too, explore the individuals inside it. My work explores both.

very true.
omg.. look at your subjects!!! ahhh
how do you cope!??

[katykins]

woah..
i had to read that twice to understand fully what you just said.
it's people like you that make people like me wonder what i'm doing in extension 2.