'Law school applicants compete for fewer places'

[thegovernator]

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I never made any assumptions. I just think if you think there is no pressure in studying law then you are wrong. It depends on who you are and what your goals are.

Sure, there might be no pressure if you just wanna breeze your way through with a bare pass mark, but what of the person who wants first class honours? anyway, I just can't understand what you mean how there is no pressure in studying law.

[Metric]

Himmy, lets keep it civilised. We're all friends here

Originally Posted by ellasrules

hey guys, 94.90 enter, u rekon that'll get me into arts at melb??

Wouldn't want to hijack the threat or anything . I think with an ENTER of 94.9 you'll be safely in (don't quote me). I would be surprised to see a BA that requires more than 95! The Melbourne University website says the guarenteed entry (ie. DFEE cut-off) is 85, so I guess the CSP would be around 90. Because its a new course (the colourfully titled "New Generation BA") they don't give a CSP cut-off for last year.

Originally Posted by ellasrules

Do u think its extremely difficult to get into postgrad Law at melb? like it sed 70% is a H2 sumthing...high distincion i think...my god that sounds hard but i wana try my ass off.

70% is a credit average, I have no idea what H2 means (I think it means Second Class Honours, I know Victorian universities use these as grades) but I would think H1=HD. In any case, I really can't see how the Melbourne JD could require a HD average to get into. I would contact Melbourne about it and ask them, hopefully they can give you a pretty clear idea of what is required to get in.

Originally Posted by ellasrules

In my arts degree id love to transfer for like a semester to UCLA or sum Uni in the US, do u think that wuld make a stronger application?? what else can u do during ur arts degree or wateva degree undergrad, to make u a stronger candidate??

Get great marks during university and do well in the LSAT. You will also have to write a personal statement, so getting involved in extra-curricular activities is a good idea as it will give you some firepower. I'm sure they'll look favourably on any exchange you go on.

[himmy6996]

Season I was just seeking to mirror your logic or lackthereof through baseless presumptions and sweeping generalisations - and just because you have 2 or 3 or 20 people in your family who do/did law doesnt mean thats a very accurate representation of the "ins" and "outs" of a law degree - so you can take all the offense you want to assumptions on your background but it merely reflects the presumptuous ignorance with which you made earlier claims.

As to the statistics and actual argument points - you may notice I didn't doubt your integrity as to the statistic - just indicated you made inaccurate conclusions from it. I still dont see how your stuck if you start doing medicine and decide you don't like it.

My favourite colour is also blue

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Season

Oh and since you made a big fuss about my family background let me enlighten you about my family. My father did law for fun, both my brothers are doing law, my cousin did law and is currently working for Macquarie bank. Our family discussions are debates about politics, and what can I say- we entertain quite a bit. I also enjoy debating, public speaking, and organizations like UNYA. My favourite colour is blue and I like enjoy dancing in my spare time.

haha, then would you be interested in a libran studying law who's interested in reading, cooking, rom-coms and long walks by the beach?

/kidding.

[hfis]

Haha. There are two people who did their HSC in 2007 arguing about tertiary education.

[RogueAcademic]

Season - for someone who is as arrogant as your are in your replies, your 'facts' aren't exactly accurate, and your other non-factual yet 'indisputable' statements, as is revealed, come from your family...?

Where exactly did you acquire your opinion that it takes 3.5 years for qualify as a GP?

What are the chances - my favourite colour is also blue.

[Season]

Originally Posted by RogueAcademic

Where exactly did you acquire your opinion that it takes 3.5 years for qualify as a GP?

The training program takes 3 years full time. A four-year program is available for those wishing to obtain an advanced rural postgraduate award (FACRRM or Grad Dip Rural). A Registrar in AGPT must complete three years of work-based training with a regional training provider before becoming eligible for Fellowship, however registrars may sit the FRACGP examinations in their third year of training.
To achieve full registration as a general practitioner, the registrar must successfully complete the training aspect of the program and the Fellowship exam. They are then eligible for the conferment of fellowship and vocational registration.

This has been taken from the Australian Medical Association
Reference: http://www.ama.com.au/web.nsf/doc/WE...F?opendocument

Some other useful sites
Royal Australian College of General Practitioners http://www.racgp.org.au/
Vocational training page for GPs. http://www.racgp.org.au/vocationaltraining

A phamplet aimed at doctors in 2008 on obtaining their fellowship, it states quite clearly that you need a minimum of 3, most likely 4 years of supervised practice to work as a GP and have a medicare no. (ie get paid)
http://www.racgp.org.au/Content/Navi...wshipGuide.pdf

Sure, there might be no pressure if you just wanna breeze your way through with a bare pass mark, but what of the person who wants first class honours? anyway, I just can't understand what you mean how there is no pressure in studying law.

I was referring to pressure to become a lawyer after you graduate, I have no doubt that studying law and achieving high marks in any degree is all dependant on the individual not the degree.

As for the claims I have from experiences of myself and family, how do you propose I get them? Its not exactly something they do studies on and release official information. I can only assume that if there was a large amount of pressure then a large amount of graduates would be doing law. Yet the one objective piece of data reigns in my favour.

More so I have no seen anyone else offer any other piece of more objective piece of information then personal experience, so until someone does offer a bit of objective piece of data that proves all my "arrogant" claims wrong, I will abide by my earlier claims.


Frigid: it would never work,

But as the Cancer woman begins to slowly open up and reveal her feelings and changing moods, the Libra man’s airy, abstract approach to life may not rest comfortably with her emotional world.

you're just... too... abstract okay... if finally decide to let emotions rule... then give me a call

[RogueAcademic]

Originally Posted by Season

This has been taken from the Australian Medical Association
Reference: http://www.ama.com.au/web.nsf/doc/WE...F?opendocument

Some other useful sites
Royal Australian College of General Practitioners http://www.racgp.org.au/
Vocational training page for GPs. http://www.racgp.org.au/vocationaltraining

A phamplet aimed at doctors in 2008 on obtaining their fellowship, it states quite clearly that you need a minimum of 3, most likely 4 years of supervised practice to work as a GP and have a medicare no. (ie get paid)
http://www.racgp.org.au/Content/Navi...wshipGuide.pdf

So where does it say it takes a 3.5 years as a bare minimum or as an absolute, as you so strongly insist? And no I do not count the non-medical undergrad degree as part of the years it takes to become a GP. If you do, you'd have to include your school years 12+3+4+1+3=23.

Even an undergraduate med degree to GP is: 6+1+3= 10 years. But the minimum years it takes to become a GP is still the grad med route of 4+1+3= 8 years, as I mentioned earlier.

But to go back to the actual point of what we were discussing, medical graduates begin a paid job from internship. You might say it takes further training to specialise but that is a moot point when their paid career as a medical practitioner really begins much earlier.

Originally Posted by Season

As for the claims I have from experiences of myself and family, how do you propose I get them? Its not exactly something they do studies on and release official information. I can only assume that if there was a large amount of pressure then a large amount of graduates would be doing law. Yet the one objective piece of data reigns in my favour.

More so I have no seen anyone else offer any other piece of more objective piece of information then personal experience, so until someone does offer a bit of objective piece of data that proves all my "arrogant" claims wrong, I will abide by my earlier claims.

You use the words 'claims', 'not exactly.. official information', and 'assume'. It's fine to share your experiences but to do so and insist that your blessed words are treated as gospel is arrogance.

Either way, if we are going by your flawed logic, would the personal opinion and experiences of a university academic staff member who has had years of immediate involvement with both the professional and student medical/legal community be worth more than your 2 to 6 degrees of separation as a high school student?

Originally Posted by Season

Yet the one objective piece of data reigns in my favour.

Here's an example of your arrogance, and yet you misquoted that reigning piece of objective data.

[ari89]

stfu already

Hint: Law students do not care about how long it takes to become a GP etc

[RogueAcademic]

Originally Posted by ari89

stfu already

Hint: Law students do not give a fuck about how long it takes to become a GP etc

*slapped back into reality* goddammit you're right

*edited - well actually that's not entirely true in my case. I have a vested interest in these areas for my own reasons, partly personal and professional.

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Season

Frigid: it would never work,

you're just... too... abstract okay... if finally decide to let emotions rule... then give me a call

LOL.

for the record, in real life, i am quite an emotional person. but i don't believe there are only 12 types of people in the world.

haha, take a chance - PM me