Which university is best for law?: The definitive answer

[RDX]

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Well, I didn't really have much choice with the Melbourne Model (And I wasn't going to do JD) so Monash BA/LLB was the go for me

[cr1cket]

My sister does law. She was doing it at UWS but she did not like it very much.
I think she is transferring but I do not know where to.

[cannibal.horse]

Originally Posted by blue_chameleon

...because the Good Universities Guide is a completely accurate viewpoint of quality of programs.

Why would teh Good Universities Guide lie?

I am 12 and do not understand...

[Frigid]

I thought I would add some oil to our little UWS fire:

After giving a talk on administrative law at American University Washington College of Law on April 24, [US Supreme Court] Justice Scalia took a few questions. One was from a student who wanted to know what she had to do to become "outrageously successful" without "connections and elite degrees."

Her law school, according to U.S. News & World Report, is ranked 45th in the country.

Justice Scalia gave a general answer. "Just work hard and be very good," he said.

But then he turned to a discussion of the student's chances of obtaining the ultimate credential in American law, a clerkship with a Supreme Court justice. Not good, he said.

"By and large," he said, "I’m going to be picking from the law schools that basically are the hardest to get into. They admit the best and the brightest, and they may not teach very well, but you can't make a sow's ear out of a silk purse. If they come in the best and the brightest, they’re probably going to leave the best and the brightest, OK?"

- Sidebar, New York Times, 11 May 2009.

Yes yes, you UWS fans will remind me that Kirby J took a UWS graduate as one of his Associates.

I wonder whether our High Court (or any other Australian court, for that matter) shares Scalia's views.

[Lara1986]

Originally Posted by Frigid

I thought I would add some oil to our little UWS fire:- Sidebar, New York Times, 11 May 2009.

Yes yes, you UWS fans will remind me that Kirby J took a UWS graduate as one of his Associates.

I wonder whether our High Court (or any other Australian court, for that matter) shares Scalia's views.

Whilst those comments are valid, I, and other UWS students, have had interviews for tipstaff/associate positions in the past and whilst I was far from the most qualified or 'intelligent' student interviewed so was not surprised that i did not get the position, the fact that I am a UWS student and reached an interview is perhaps indicative of the views of some Australian courts.

Irrespective of the outcome, i took this to mean that they are at least interested in UWS students and willing to give them the opportunity to attain such positions. They wouldn't put you through to an interview if they weren't interested in UWS students The Supreme Court judge that I had the interview with was actually quite positive about the fact that I went to UWS upon asking my reasons for choosing the uni and my ideal career path.

[cannibal.horse]

Originally Posted by Frigid

I wonder whether our High Court (or any other Australian court, for that matter) shares Scalia's views.

Doubtful. They'd more likely choose candidates based on the university they went to and its ranking according to the Good Universities Guide.

[styling4sure]

yeah well guess what. I went to grossmann, and im looking to transfer into law. My brothers friend went to the university of newcastle. Shit u.a.i completely shit, she went to uni did decent and her starting graduate salary was $80,000 at Westpac. shes a lawyer for westpac. she didnt want to move because in newcastle she had a huge house and simply you would pick your family over living on campus and spending all that money when she ended up getting a sick job anyway. it depends on nothing but your marks. she did business/law, but her sister did arts/law and is working at maliesons a law firm in sydney. never heard of it but she started off at $75,000 with just credits and few distinctions.

so i dont really give a shit. also wilson kwok went to maitland grossmann high school got a u.a.i of 98.5%, and is now working at the commonweath bank as a lawyer. he's carving up. there are so many other great people. universities mean absoulte SHIT ask anyone.


ITS HOW YOU DO IN UNI that counts. even your u.a.i becomes irrelevant.

[Jeee]

I've heard UNSW has a great law faculty. Plus their law building is so bloody funky.

[beentherdunthat]

Unsw

[styling4sure]

Seriously, they will ask for your u.a.i especially westpac. if you say 70% but then youve got distinctions and high distinctions throughout uni and impress them at the interview im serious they dont give a crap. i know its really irrelevant me saying all this bs because so many people come on here and say it but its true. i know people that could have got into usyd and unsw that didnt because they didnt want to leave newcastle. and once they got their jobs they were glad because the outcome was the same.

its how you do in uni thats so important. i feel comfortable doing commerce at newcastle and transferring to business/law. good degree, good marks and no ones even going to care. as if theyre going to discriminate you if youve got heaps good marks, awards throughout school, worked in your last 2 yrs.

university of newcastle. i go there. teaching quality is brilliant.

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by styling4sure

My brothers friend went to the university of newcastle. Shit u.a.i completely shit, she went to uni did decent and her starting graduate salary was $80,000 at Westpac. shes a lawyer for westpac... she did business/law, but her sister did arts/law and is working at maliesons a law firm in sydney. never heard of it but she started off at $75,000 with just credits and few distinctions.

i'm a bit skeptical though. i'm not surprised malles pays $5K more than market rate (around $65-70K package this year), but westpac paying a full $10K more than market rate? hmmm...

[melsc]

Originally Posted by Frigid

I thought I would add some oil to our little UWS fire:- Sidebar, New York Times, 11 May 2009.

Yes yes, you UWS fans will remind me that Kirby J took a UWS graduate as one of his Associates.

I wonder whether our High Court (or any other Australian court, for that matter) shares Scalia's views.

I don't think its that comparable, how many universties are there in the states and its a different country with different people and bias'.

Does it count in the support of UWS stakes that me being a 1/4 UWS 3/4 Mac student has worked someone until they were appointed to the Supreme Court and his only comment was that UWS and Mac seemed hard to get to.

[Oliver04]

Originally Posted by styling4sure

...wilson kwok went to maitland grossmann high school got a u.a.i of 98.5%, and is now working at the commonweath bank as a lawyer. he's carving up. there are so many other great people. universities mean absoulte SHIT ask anyone...

That's cause he was either taught by my mother or my mother's awesomeness rubbed off on him.

[blue_chameleon]

Originally Posted by Oliver04

That's cause he was either taught by my mother or my mother's awesomeness rubbed off on him.

Your mothers awesomeness rubbed off me.

[blue_chameleon]

Originally Posted by styling4sure

Seriously, they will ask for your u.a.i especially westpac. if you say 70% but then youve got distinctions and high distinctions throughout uni and impress them at the interview im serious they dont give a crap. i know its really irrelevant me saying all this bs because so many people come on here and say it but its true. i know people that could have got into usyd and unsw that didnt because they didnt want to leave newcastle. and once they got their jobs they were glad because the outcome was the same.

its how you do in uni thats so important. i feel comfortable doing commerce at newcastle and transferring to business/law. good degree, good marks and no ones even going to care. as if theyre going to discriminate you if youve got heaps good marks, awards throughout school, worked in your last 2 yrs.

university of newcastle. i go there. teaching quality is brilliant.

It's funny how it takes a lot of students until they reach assessment centres/final interviews for grad programs to realise that, in the end, they aren't assured of anything and that they will always face competition from the non-G08's for positions.

Universities are a business. Unfortunately these motives are more pronounced at some institutions than others, and it's not until you start going there that you realise where their interests lie.