sydney vs. UNSW vs. macquarie vs. UTS

[Frigid]

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Originally Posted by omg_a

erm...what's blackletter teaching??

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=blackletter

without having to write a 50-page essay on jurisprudence, essentially blackletter teaching is the teaching of law as it stands: the relevant legislation, principles, case law. It implies that there is no teaching of policy considerations, social values and other extrinsic values.

Compare the UNSW Crim 1 and 2 outline to the UTS Crim outline, and you'll see the difference.

subtext Ziff? you know ANU is the best goddamn uni in Australia. end of story.

[Ziff]

I meant that Omg_A also wants to go to ANU I think. I know that it's on par with, but does anyone know of the teaching style?

[Suvat]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

looks like its similar to usyd in terms of it being lecture/tut

Are you deliberately trying to shitstir all the usyd law students or something? I've already posted twice in this thread that usyd uses small group teaching, and you even quoted one of them!

[MoonlightSonata]

My two cents:

(a) I would say that UNSW law is just as good as USyd law, and UNSW has ALL small group teaching for law, rather than the lecture/tutorial system that is widely used for USyd undergraduate studies. You would also come out with a greater social understanding of the law.

(b) However if you got into USyd, my recommendation would be to go there for 2 reasons:
- the prestige is greater
- the campus is better
I am being honest with you here, I would not just bag my own uni. The truth is they are both very good, but if you had a slight edge in terms of prestige, why not take it?

(c) I know a solicitor who told me that some big firms often only ever take on graduates from USyd and UNSW, and a few firms primarily only from USyd, and as for himself, he only takes on USyd honours students.

(d) Whatever uni you goto, the grades are extremely important as well. Employers often go back and look through your results - obviously if you've got Credit averages in a USyd law degree, a UTS honours law student will trump you.

(e) These are of course only academic factors - who you know is important in the business, among other things like people skills, oral skills, etc

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As for this theory/practical argument, I shall not get involved

[MoonlightSonata]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

Yes ive also heard the same...marks are important...but how come some of the big law firms take unsw and usyd guys and gals...what happened to all the D people at maqu?

Well 'often' being the operative word, 'big' being the other

Yes maqu - if you have the marks I'm sure that'd raise the bar

Might I also add that if somehow USyd's ancient quadrangle building was demolished, their edge in prestige may very well go down with it

[Suvat]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

oops sorry

are ALL USYD courses just tut now? or just foundations and torts?

All undergraduate courses are seminar only, this of course does not exclude the possibility of lectures by guest speakers etc

[MoonlightSonata]

Originally Posted by Suvat

All undergraduate courses are seminar only, this of course does not exclude the possibility of lectures by guest speakers etc

What the hell? Starting from when? That certainly wasn't the case last year

[Farcanell]

With regard to UAI comparisons between UTS and MQ another consideration is the number of places (supply and demand :P). If I remember right, USYD, UNSW and MQ all have 500-600 places, while UTS numbers may even be less than 300. Considering demand doesn't really reflect this its understandable that UTS entry requirements are so high.

On a barely related matter though, would doing com/law be detrimental to someone later seeking to specialise in crim law?

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Farcanell

would doing com/law be detrimental to someone later seeking to specialise in crim law?

short answer is absolutely not.

[MoonlightSonata]

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Originally Posted by Asquithian

Com/law would not stop you doing crim...however if you want to be the typical criminal law barrister it would not add to your ability in criminal law. It could be like doing an arts degree in Philosophy and sociology and moving into the area of commercial law or taxation law.

HEY!

[Farcanell]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

....200 places at each uni...around 200

*stands corrected*

So would doing com/law make you significantly less employable? And what kind of subjects in another field are substantially beneficial for a crim lawyer?

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Farcanell

So would doing com/law make you significantly less employable? And what kind of subjects in another field are substantially beneficial for a crim lawyer?

no not really. it will not detract, nor will it add to a criminal law career. remember that barristers are self-employed, so i dun see the issue of employability.

other subjects which will help... something like a police degree (?), criminology, social psychology, anthropology, sociology

[santaslayer]

Originally Posted by Frigid

other subjects which will help... something like a police degree (?), criminology, social psychology, anthropology, sociology

ie. B Arts...

[golfstick]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

....200 places at each uni...around 200

There are between 300 and 400 people doing first year law this year at macq

If you want to be a hi-po solicitor, avoid macq like the plague

Lucky for me I don't think that's what I want to do (and heaven help me if I realise it is)

Sometimes you've just got to do the best you can with the marks you're given. Not everyone's going to get 99.

I have the GPA to transfer to UTS bus/law now, but I figure, what's the point? I can't be fucked. Macq is heaps close to home and I enjoy the social aspect of it a lot too. For people like me, it's a law degree that you can really treat like any other degree. I can go out a lot, etc. For those who transfer into it I am guessing it's as hard for them as a Syd/UNSW degree would be for someone like squithy (who said you can't really have a job and stuff)

I'll never be a high-flying SC but meh

[santaslayer]

High flying SC?

But tha't would be really up to the individual right?

You don't get émployed'as an SC....