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[1000words]

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Originally Posted by Suvat

"Laying down the law" is actually a set text for the usyd foundations course, but it is kinda useless, most of the work in foundations involves reading the thick 2 volume compulsory reading package assembled by the faculty

I agree that it's not very helpful in the sense of doing well in exams but it's not bad in the sense, as requested initially, as a general, introductory text to the law. I commenced studies in law without having any background knowledge of it (i.e. I did not do legal studies in high school) and reading it was interesting for me. It provides a structured introductory background into the foundations of the law, in contrast to the fragmented ideas of law that we learn from fiction books (particularly those outside of Australia), the movies and friends.

I also had compulsory reading material (those great big door stoppers) but I found them a lot easier to read and faster to get through once I covered the introductory material in "Laying Down the Law". The reading materials I went through (essentially photocopies) were bits and pieces and not structured like a book.

[1000words]

Originally Posted by cr05

Actually, I too am very curious about what the law classes are like. Can you please tell a prospective law student anything of relevance regarding the general structure, (ie lecturer talking to 500 students, followed by small tutorials) and also things like group presentations and mooting. What do they involve, difficulty, stress, research level.

I have been looking at the compulsory law courses for both USyd and UNSW, and would like to know a little more about the 'Advanced Legal Research' subject offered by both universities. What does it involve? I presume a hefty research task...any details?

I hope that the others have answered your question already. All I add is that if you were good enough to get through year 12 and perform at such a high level to enter into law school, you will do absolutely fine if you maintain your work ethic. The danger is that the level of stress is significantly less and you are more independent in your studies.

[MoonlightSonata]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

errk...laying down the law is good if you didnt do legal studies...ie if you know nothing at all about the law 'laying down the law' is needed.

"Understanding the Australian Legal System" by John Carvan is also good

I believe it is structered much more clearly as well

[Suvat]

Of course, no one should overlook "Legal institutions and method" by John Pyke and Alastair MacAdam, as it is, in my opinion, far easier to understand than laying down the law for someone who has no background knowledge. I suspect it is also cheaper than the evil green book (laying down the law).

[Lainee]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

errk...laying down the law is good if you didnt do legal studies...ie if you know nothing at all about the law 'laying down the law' is needed.

Oh well, need something to read over the summer anyway. So going to try and find all 3 (or 4 was it?) mentioned. Might overlap, but can never have too solid a 'foundation'. Heheh, talk about eager.

[charlie_charlie]

Just been reading through all of these posts - and I've noticed they've all centered around UNSW or USyd law...what about UTS?! I am considering UTS because I didn't get enough for UNSW Law (and stupidly, didn't apply for ACCESS, when I was entitled to it) - and from what I've read so far, seems to be a pretty good law school, with the only thing detracting from it is its lack of prestige. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone can answer
1) what are the classes/learning/quality of teaching/ methods @UTS are like
2) what is, really, so bad about UTS? i mean, it doesn't have the best reputation, but when reading through it, seems to produce job worthy graduates
3) what the BA (Int Stds)/LLB degree is like? What career opportunities does it produce? Would it be possible to do that degree and then, maybe transfer to UNSW in the 2nd year to a BA/LLB or Int Stds/LLB? If so, how hard would it be?

That's not to say that I would definately transfer to UNSW in 2nd year, I'm just tyring to know all possible routes.

Anyway, thanks in advance!

[mr EaZy]

uts is changing next year, thats what this 1st year uts dude told me
god willing, i'll be there next year

law/business
law/ social inq
law/ international studies
law / public communications

these are my prefs
but ill put unsw law just in case the eas entry drops to 97.90

[mr EaZy]

Originally Posted by wizard

Do you have those links Mr Eazy? They sound like they may be useful.


I'm also wondering about the money on offer from Syd and UNSW. We have recieved no information about these.

Thanks

anything to help a bunch of country folks get in touch with the world (just kidding)

alright here: (u probably have them already so, it probably doesnt mean anything to u )

http://www.immi.gov.au/department/j...te/graduate.htm

http://www.ictr.org/ENGLISH/opportu...nship/index.htm

http://www.dfat.gov.au/recruit/graduates/

https://jobs.un.org/Galaxy/Release3...cy/vacancy.aspx

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/21515



any law magazine /student brochure will give u similar links and more. i dont have any on barristers and cheif justices or whatever or conveyancy or ..........

just know that u dont need a law degree to be in these high positions. Thats kinda like a myth really. u did say that ur daughter was looking into UN and foreign affairs , but yeah, arts ,commerce, and other courses that provide valuable skills should be sought after by reputable international organizations. just uhhhh good luck mate

[mr EaZy]

oh and wizard !
if ur interested in the scholarships, tell ur .........daughter,.......... to go to the usyd faculty website ,

i think its www.law.usyd.edu.au

then tell them " look i got 99.95, and i want a scholarship, please advise! " they'll help ya alright

[wizard]

Thanks very much mr EaZy for the links and advice re scholarships.
Yes we are a little isolated out here in the sticks but the internet brings the world to us. Can't imagine getting this type of help 20 years ago.
I suspect that part of my daughter's success can be attributed to the net. She spent hours on it researching for assignments and looking for that "little bit extra" to use in exams. Without the support of big city libraries and contacts I imagine it was a little harder for country kids in the past.

[charlie_charlie]

Originally Posted by mr EaZy

uts is changing next year, thats what this 1st year uts dude told me

What do you mean changing? In what sense?

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by charlie_charlie

What do you mean changing? In what sense?

the two introductory subjects, 'legal process and history' and 'legal research' are getting slightly revised in their content and length.

[mr EaZy]

is that all? i was told that the size of classes and lecture structures are all changing and thats why my friend counldnt give me much info on next years law classes.
anywayz.....

[hornetfig]

well, to my knowledge, some subjects are moving to the currently fashionable method of tutorial teaching. But others will remain lecture and seminar structure.

[Lainee]

Originally Posted by Suvat

"Laying down the law" is actually a set text for the usyd foundations course, but it is kinda useless, most of the work in foundations involves reading the thick 2 volume compulsory reading package assembled by the faculty

What's this package like? Is it something we'll have to buy from the faculty? Something you bring to class everyday?