UTS vs Sydney vs UNSW?

[MoonlightSonata]

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why do you think results are so important :P

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

easily...your own dean, Ms Atherton, said your law school was a 'basket case'

tim, please dun uni-bash... you've taken the quote out of context:

Laws Unto Themselves
Sydney Morning Herald,
17th November 2001

"...While Sydney University put its house in order, another big change was taking place at North Ryde. There, the law school at Macquarie University had become a "basket case", says the dean, Ros Atherton. The turmoil had its origins in the way the school was founded, on the basis of the critical studies movement.

"They practically didn't want to teach law," Harding says. Torn apart with ideological battles, the school faced threats of closure.

Two years ago, Atherton became dean. Her aim was to reshape it, but not abandon its original focus entirely. Atherton, a former head girl of Ascham school, wants to keep the "hallmark of the place ... that really scholarly sense of the law which locates it in a much broader context in relation to other disciplines. If you learn a whole lot of rules you will know the rules relevant at that time; you won't learn legal skills to solve a problem at any time. It's about training a way of thinking, emphasis on deep learning." "

if anybody's interested, use your uni library resources and 'factiva' the article... it highlights the positives of each law school. however, the article admits, on many fronts, that the best law schools, as perceived by the larger firms, are UNSW, USyd (equal first) and then followed by ANU. UTS gets quite a mention too.

[felafel]

it makes sense that the larger firms perceive UNSW USYD ANU as the "better" law schools - they are the oldest

graduates from UNSW USYD ANU have taken many of the prominent senior positions in law firms and so they prefer their own universities!

I'm guessing UTS gets a mention because it's a very practical course, dissimilar to the program that other unis offer.

and MacQ? haha it's only a matter of time!

the http://www.thegoodguides.com.au/ is another good resource to compare universities

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Asquithian

Jeesus Frigid. I've been looking for that article. And I totally forgot about factiva

On a side note. Did you use unsw sirius to get to factiva, Frigid? I cannot believe why the library changed sirius. It used to be SO MUCH EASIER to use. Now it's just complex for no reason.

yes, i've started using the UNSW resources... i can still access UTS library's too

i dunno, how did sirius change? i never saw the old one... but you can click on 'Categories' and everything we always need should be in either 'Commerce or Economics' or 'Law'. on thing i noticed is that UNSW still has Econlit, whereas UTS cancelled their subscription (a poor choice, considering Econlit gives access to 'The Economist' magazine).

if i got my UAI back in 2001 i could have went to either USyd or UNSW without any of this transferring/make up credits business

[sypher]

Are there any stats on how much graduate suburbun solicitors make?

If the cream of the crop law students (i.e. the 25-50 graduates hired per firm) make $38-50k at big city law firms.. wtf do the others make?

Us non USYD/UNSW students are so inferior that we should just give up and die. We are worthless..

[felafel]

i'm a member of the good guides - i'll post some stats if i can find my password

i remember that the highest graduate starting salary is dentistry with a whopping $60,000+!

[abey85]

UWS leaves all the other uni's for dead. Anyone who has previously attended one of the more 'prestigious' unis and later transferred to UWS will agree with me. I attended UTS for to semesters and it was the worst year of my life. I just hated the teaching methods and the general enviroment. After i transferred to UWS parramatta, i couldn't believe what a difference it was. I actually began to enjoy going to UNI everyday.

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by abey85

UWS leaves all the other uni's for dead. Anyone who has previously attended one of the more 'prestigious' unis and later transferred to UWS will agree with me.

After i transferred to UWS parramatta, i couldn't believe what a difference it was. I actually began to enjoy going to UNI everyday.

could you expand on your opinion?

how/why do you feel UWS is better and in what sense?

[Iron]

As usual, i'm shocked and appauled to see no mention of ANU...I realised that the staff were probably bias, but I didnt think that they made up all the international reports saying "ANU: Aust. best uni" AND they guy who topped HSC english does arts/law here too...I recognised the picture.