New King. Egpt. - Explain the"Warrior Pharaoh"image&its sgnifcance during this period

[silvermoon]

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lol. it's not ducks fault. we were brainwashed by an evil ancient teacher who knew stuff all. for once, pwaryeux, i agree with you. ange: perhaps you could include a little more evidence in this argument? harpy's obsession with showing stele detailing pharaohs and their involvement in battles really means jack all.

[PwarYuex]

Originally Posted by silvermoon

for once, pwaryeux, i agree with you.

how comforting.

Bad teachers suck so much wang, and I'm glad that the stigma towards teachers 'not being able to do' is changing.

I go to uni with a few want-to-be teachers and they're really smart and would make great teachers.

Sorry, that was a digression, but you get the idea.

[angelduck]

Originally Posted by PwarYuex

Military: It can also be useful if they are a good warrior, and military leadership and victory is essential to this.

Originally Posted by angelduck

Well, um, der, nice work there, being a warrior pharaoh and all, i believe the egyptians probably wouldnt have followed a pharaoh into battle if said pharaoh couldnt throw a stick further than a metre or kill a guy with a sword

- note, i never said anything about focusing soley on being a warrior, just that of course you would have to say something about it, and that basically when phwaryuex said "military" i thought that would have been a fairly obvious thing to include

[silvermoon]

perhaps - however, as ppl have already said, for the pharaohs it's doubtful whether many of them were the warriors they claimed to be. You are right in one sense: it was very important to the Egyptian armies to be fighting for a pharaoh they believed was a great warrior, however the key word there is BELIEVED. it's all about image, obviously they are going to minimise their own exposure to any fighting but they must have the right image. obviously all the stele talking about pharaohs winning battles single handedly, being bale to fire arrows through 3 double thickness copper plates etc. is all complete bs.

[PwarYuex]

Originally Posted by silvermoon

perhaps - however, as ppl have already said, for the pharaohs it's doubtful whether many of them were the warriors they claimed to be. You are right in one sense: it was very important to the Egyptian armies to be fighting for a pharaoh they believed was a great warrior, however the key word there is BELIEVED. it's all about image, obviously they are going to minimise their own exposure to any fighting but they must have the right image. obviously all the stele talking about pharaohs winning battles single handedly, being bale to fire arrows through 3 double thickness copper plates etc. is all complete bs.

Look, we can't even begin to understand their mentality. Their religious beliefs are totally different to ours- and saying that the Pharaoh was their god isn't going far enough. The Egyptian religion included everyone- the bad guys, the peasants, the Pharaoh. They all had their own place, and this is what the soldiers would keep in their mind. Dare I use the worn out cliche that paradise awaited them, but to say that every soldier had a place in upkeeping maat and essentially stopping the universe from destructing ('stopping the sun from not rising tomorrow') is not an exaggeration.

[angelduck]

did that statement have a point? Coz if it did i missed it

[silvermoon]

*sigh* and just when we thought you'd grown up a little and started to leave the arrogance out of your posts the old pwaryeux strikes again.

considering that your statement included "every soldier" is an exaggeration. Many things change but human nature is, generally speaking, not one of them. It is an incrediable generalisation to say that all soldiers in the Egyptian army felt that the reason they fought was to uphold Ma'at. Perhaps such indoctrination was attempted, but we can never say "all" with absolute certainty in ancient history. Consider --> you start by stating that we cannot know their mentality (though we can make educated guesses based on historical and archaeological evidence) but then go on to say what you think every soldier believed! So which is it?

[PwarYuex]

Originally Posted by silvermoon

*sigh* and just when we thought you'd grown up a little and started to leave the arrogance out of your posts the old pwaryeux strikes again.

Oh, I'm sorry mother. Please, lecture me.

considering that your statement included "every soldier" is an exaggeration. Many things change but human nature is, generally speaking, not one of them. It is an incrediable generalisation to say that all soldiers in the Egyptian army felt that the reason they fought was to uphold Ma'at.

They were told from bith that this was the right thing. From birth, silvermoon. It is not a generalisation to say that all soldiers felt that way- they were all told it from youth, they were all reminded it on the battlefield, none of them were told differently or have any reason to believe otherwise.

Perhaps such indoctrination was attempted, but we can never say "all" with absolute certainty in ancient history.

Yes we can, because that's what all the fucking evidence shows us. You cannot perform negative synthesis from Egyptological evidence- you cannot say that 'there may have been' because Egypt has the lowest amount of social philological evidence than any other semi-literate nation.

Consider --> you start by stating that we cannot know their mentality

I'm not saying can know their mentality- do I have to remind you to learn how to read? Yes, we can understand their beliefs- no, we can't understand the mentality arising from them. This fits into the category of beliefs, not their manifestating mentality.

(though we can make educated guesses based on historical and archaeological evidence)

You have a go at me for using bad terms? There is no such thing as social historical evidence from this time. They never wrote factual historical narratives outside of practical (one extreme) and propaganda (the other extreme) modes.

but then go on to say what you think every soldier believed! So which is it

When the fuck did I say that? When the fuck did I say "I know what every soldier believed"?

I know I never said that, because I DON'T know anything more than the average student. I say what I believe, that's the POINT of history. I FORWARD my ideas, based on the large amount of research I've done.

I DON'T know anything for sure, I've just looked at a lot of stuff. Would you say that to a historian: 'Ah... excuse me Mr Kemp, but you're saying you know what they believed... I think you're immature...' Oh, wait- Kemp says what he thinks! No more!

From what I've read, from what evidence I've looked at, from all the things I've heard, I think (I guess I have to put that in now, because you're a toss-pot) that they were told from birth that their cause was just. I think this because of primary and secondary sources that I've read. I could discuss this further- BUT WHO CARES! We're here to learn about the HSC.

Get off my back, silvermoon. You're a petty little bitch.

[angelduck]

Score update, Moonie 4, Pwar 1/2 (just for trying)

[PwarYuex]

Originally Posted by angelduck

Score update, Moonie 4, Pwar 1/2 (just for trying)

Originally Posted by angelduck

And score update Moonie 3, Pwar 0

Yes, but lets not judge looks (assuming that's you in your av), intelligence, or confidence shall we?

pwar: 1337, angelduck: -13.5 (just for being butt-ugly, dumb as a brick, or as syncophantic as the senators of Rome).

[angelduck]

said the guy carrying what i assume is a light-saber?? And wearing red nail polish

Btw, that photoi was taken neraly a yr ago, and i have lost about 10kg since then

And im not dumb, i wouldnt have gone to a selective svhool, recieved the UAI i didm, or gotten into speech path if i was

[PwarYuex]

Originally Posted by angelduck

said the guy carrying what i assume is a light-saber??

No, hunny, it's a guitar.

And wearing red nail polish

That photo is this one with red effect on it. Coincidentally, I have been known to wear nailpolish when I'm playing with my band, red can be so chic-goth.

Btw, that photoi was taken neraly a yr ago, and i have lost about 10kg since then

Good for you. You should do some jogging for me, I could use some.

And im not dumb, i wouldnt have gone to a selective svhool, recieved the UAI i didm, or gotten into speech path if i was

Bah, UAI is soooo not a good representation of intelligence. That being said; do you tink you're sycophantic?

[amydell]

what if your doing the New Kingdom Period?