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    I think it's unfair, that selective schools get better UAI's or marks then alternative schools ... I go to an alternative school in 2002 UAI : 99.4 and in 2003: 97.85 ...And those people worked their butts of..
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    Ok so from what ive gathered through my observations
    (you hsc mark is the average mark of your internal assesment rankings average mark and your external exam mark)
    then the mark u get as your hsc mark is alligned depending on difficulty of subject eg. (chemistry=70 and something silly like D&T=70 alligned for uai Chem=82 and D&T =68

    Am i Correct....??
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    just a question for u guys out there.. (this has nothin 2 do with scalin lol) .. is it possible 2 get a UAI of like above 99 without getting 10 units above 90??

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    queenie for ur question yes depending on subjects if u got high 80's-low 90's in phs/4um/adv eng/chem then for sure lol
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    Alright, I haven't read through the whole thread only about half of it. I decided it would be more beneficial to simply ask my question rather then sift through everything to find it.

    Recently I was told that going to a selective school would ultimately affected my assessment scaling compared to my current school. Thus as one would, I asked around and in the end I was told by numerous teachers at my current school that wasn't the case.

    In any case I applied for a selective school, Hurlstone Agriculture and ended up recieving an offer to attend the school. In the end after believing that there was no real benefit except the competition in attending a selective school I turned it down.

    Once again I've been tolded that going to a selective school does affect the scaling of my assessments and reading the comments about 'riding the selective school bandwagon' this seems to be the correct.

    What I really wish to inquire is that since im attending a private school whose policy is ultimately to accept any student thus incurring a lower school ranking whether im disadvantaged compared to a selective school? From what I have read this seems to be the true and for me to do well I have change my lazy work ethics and not only do well in the external exam but also top my assessments.

    Also I would wish to know why a selective school would get a better scaling on their assessments? If one were to get a better scaling on assessments merely on the basis of one's school. Isn't that slightly unfair that capable students who have the ability of selective school students essentially have their marks 'toned' down because they chose to attend school elsewhere?

    Well thats my rant and I hope it makes some sort of sense and thanks beforehand for anyones help.
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    The school plays no role in the determination of your UAI.

    The UAC simply uses the marks given. There is no school scaling just because they are selective or private.

    The only difference a school can make is the atmosphere around you and whether the competition within it is high, thus motivating you to do well.

    In the end, you'd find that if you attended a very good selective school your ranking may not be that good. Conversely if you performed the same in another less acedemic school, your ranking would be better, thus 'cancelling' out the effect.

    Ultimately, you'd find that in the end your marks you receive at school become moderated to ensure fairness throughout the state.

    This thread that I made will explain the moderating procedure and you'd fine it's as fair as it can get so as to not disadvantage the student.

    If you performed badly at school and the hsc exam in a top selective school your UAI won't be good. If you performed badly at a poor acedemic school your UAI won't be good.

    It' just known that if you are performing well at a selective good, whilst beating the majority of the people in your class, you'd also perform very well in the HSC exam and end up with a nice UAI....If you performed equally in another school while attain the same HSC exam marks, you'd also end up with a nice UAI.

    The school plays no part in how they calculate the UAI. They simply use the marks they are given after it has undergone moderation to ensure that the marks between all schools are fair.
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    Thanks Ragerunner, I've just heard conflicting views from friends I knew at different schools and a couple of teachers I've asked. That definitely clears things up and was very helpful, thanks again.

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    Originally posted by Ragerunner

    trials are about 45% of your internal assessment meaning everything you have done up to now is approximately worth that one exam!
    so are the trials considered internal examinations???

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    You can calculate moderated assessment marks using this prototype:
    www.boredofstudies.org/moderate.php

    Your final HSC mark is the average of your moderated assessment mark and your examination mark.
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    Ahh, that was very helpful.

    When it says "The bottom mark was atypically low and was excluded" or "the bottom mark was adjusted to keep the curve monotonic increasing" is this how the official board of studies will also do it, or is that just basically saying I've chosen some marks that the program doesn't really know how to compute correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuter
    When it says "The bottom mark was atypically low and was excluded" or "the bottom mark was adjusted to keep the curve monotonic increasing" is this how the official board of studies will also do it, or is that just basically saying I've chosen some marks that the program doesn't really know how to compute correctly.
    Those two scenarios are the actual methods used by the Board to handle 'special cases'.

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    From the first post, Tim got totally screwed!! He got band 6 94 internal and band 5 86 external. Should he then go to 90 then be aligned. This is totally f***ed the way the UAI is calculated. all i know is rankings are very important

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    ranks are fucked

    i believed they should only use ur hsc mark
    cos I think teachers are trying to rig the system
    what i think is some teachers give students who are coming first, higher marks then they deserve, say when you hand in research assignments students who are ranked higher then you or students that the teachers think will get a good hsc mark get high marks (undeservedly sometimes) and the students who are not doing so well get even lower marks then they should receive, which means the overall class average is not that high so that in the hsc when the students who the teacher was marking harshly on, get marked fairly during the hsc, this brings the whole classes average up, this way the top students who the teacher was helping out have more chances of getting band 6 but this is not fair say if you studied harder for the hsc then you did at skool, plus is hard to move up ranks in skool, cos the teachers are rigging the system

    and the bad thing about it is we can't do anything about it
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    The entire moderating process operates to remove the problems you described, kofmaster.

    They don't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazarus
    The entire moderating process operates to remove the problems you described, kofmaster.

    They don't exist.
    how would they do this??
    i mean it is so easy for teachers to take away 5,6,7,8,9% off less able students and bassically give them to more able students but at same time keeping the average constant
    this only helps half the students get more marks then they deserve

    they should only take ur hsc mark, the notion that someone beat you at skool therefore they are smarter then you is stupid,
    especially if they are not and they get a higher moderatered mark

    i mean it is virtually impossible to have a higher hsc mark in the same course with a student who is beating u on rank even if u beat them in the hsc exam
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    Same here i dont like the idea that u cant have a higher mark than someone that beats u in class ranking. Im coming last in 3u maths, and it just feels like S@#$. its kinds of de-motivated me to study because i know i can never get the highest mark. am if i do study i would only benefit other ppl.

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    The board rewards students who perform consistently through the year, rather than people who perform a miracle at the end.

    The entire moderating process at this present moment is as fair as it can get. I doubt anyone else here (maybe Lazarus) can think of a way to ensure fairness throughout the state whilst still taking into account of school assessments. (i.e. without having just one final exam at the end).
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    true

    Quote Originally Posted by tech86
    Same here i dont like the idea that u cant have a higher mark than someone that beats u in class ranking. Im coming last in 3u maths, and it just feels like S@#$. its kinds of de-motivated me to study because i know i can never get the highest mark. am if i do study i would only benefit other ppl.
    i agree with you completly so many people in my skool who r not doin so well have all given up
    that makes it hard to even get a decent average in th hsc
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    Quote Originally Posted by tech86
    Same here i dont like the idea that u cant have a higher mark than someone that beats u in class ranking. Im coming last in 3u maths, and it just feels like S@#$. its kinds of de-motivated me to study because i know i can never get the highest mark. am if i do study i would only benefit other ppl.
    You can, your HSC mark will be greater if you beat them in the average exam by greater then the relative difference between you. Plus the better you do it means that the whole classes' including your assesment mark will go up, and you are competing against the state not the class.

    Secondly, kofmaster, that is what critera are used for and if that did happen you should have went through the processes with the school about it.

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    hey

    heyyyy ok im stressing out heaps, i basically fuked up in biology with total year mark of 32 cause i missed out on the trials which was worth 45%, in the hsc im expecting 2 get more den 80% in d actual exam for biology, is dere any hope dat my final uai will b more den 75%????
    hey u! why u reading my post 4? dnt u have anything better 2 do??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xayma
    You can, your HSC mark will be greater if you beat them in the average exam by greater then the relative difference between you. Plus the better you do it means that the whole classes' including your assesment mark will go up, and you are competing against the state not the class.

    Secondly, kofmaster, that is what critera are used for and if that did happen you should have went through the processes with the school about it.
    what you talking bout, all am saying some teachers are inconsistent in their markings (purposly) to adventage some students,
    and you can't have a review process if you don't have crediable evidence

    there should be a system that allows students to just take their hsc exam mark (if thats higher then their moderated assesment mark + hsc exam mark) to have that only count toward the uai, that eliminates teachers favouritism toward some students and is more fair,
    to say that because some is beatin you on ranks at skool therefore they smarter then you is stupid, especisally if they do not beat you in the hsc exam,
    you can't bludge you way through the whole year and then all the sudden get high 80s and some one who was supposely doing well all year gets 60s thats rather odd i think
    of course some students get nervous and shit but still they should have a new system that takes all that in perspective
    the new hsc is not entirely fair
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    If a teacher is being inconsistent with marking, it is up to the student to make the complaint to the teacher, head teacher or if needed the principal. I hardly believe that a school would ignore such procedures performed by the teacher.
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    different bands

    i heard it doesn't matter what ur rank is in ur class
    if you get say 90% in the actual hsc exam you will recieve a band 6 in ur record of achivements
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