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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin17
    Ms diab is without a doubt the best teacher in the english faculty. she goes out of her way to help students who are in need of help, she is the most hard working and dedicated teacher i know and one lesson with her is definitely like a whole year's worth of teaching from other teachers. She teaches so much more in comparison to the teachers i have had. Ms diab does not socialise with students, its pretty much the opposite...she makes you work as hard as possible, trying to make you reach your maximum potential. Without Ms diab at sefton high, the english faculty would be useless.

    i go to truong's for math and sciences, he said there will be spaces soon but his math classes have first priority...good luck trying to get in. i have heard truong say she is one of the best english tutors in the state.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    im in ms diabs class
    theres a new standard class
    thats VERY small
    but its filling up quick
    i think it will be full in about 2 weeks
    so get ur places quick!

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    no u dont have to do maths to join english or science
    and he doesnt pick out of a hat


    Quote Originally Posted by benjihua93
    miss diab is the best nah u dont have to join science at troung but u have to do maths and its very unlikely that ull get into her class because troung picks the names of the people who are going in the class from a hat. Troung told us there is about 150 people on the waiting list

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by mandyxpoo
    true.
    she doesnt mark stuff that she says she will
    I go to Ms. Diab's as well, although I'm in the advanced class. She does mark our homework though. She asks to collect it, and for those that do hand it in, she takes it home and brings it back the week after with red writing all over it. I wrote up a creative piece once before and asked her if she could give me some feedback. She then assigned the class with a task and read over it, then later attached a blank A4 piece of paper to it, filled with red writing.
    Personally, I reckon Ms. Diab is a hell of a good teacher, it's thanks to her that I don't hate english as much as I did before. =)
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by xMrRand0m
    I go to Ms. Diab's as well, although I'm in the advanced class. She does mark our homework though. She asks to collect it, and for those that do hand it in, she takes it home and brings it back the week after with red writing all over it. I wrote up a creative piece once before and asked her if she could give me some feedback. She then assigned the class with a task and read over it, then later attached a blank A4 piece of paper to it, filled with red writing.
    Personally, I reckon Ms. Diab is a hell of a good teacher, it's thanks to her that I don't hate english as much as I did before. =)
    its thanks to her that english is now my favourite subject. =)
    personally, i think she makes learning english fun which sounds impossible. In the end she always wants us to do the best that we possibly can and help us where ever possible. she is a great teacher.
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    Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    I have heard about Truong's tutoring for a long time. My niece went there for year 7 but now dropped out and use private tutor instead. I heard that Truong's method is to focus on the basics to make sure kids learn and understand what they do. Also Truong hires ex-students to come back to work. This brings the freshness of HSC exams to the class. Obviously he is making a lot money. His classes are fully booked out. But the reason why kids like my niece dropped out was because Truong's tutoring could not get the result over 80%. Since she got a private tutor, she has scraped to 90% level in mathematics tests.

    How you guys feel? Could ex-students who have just done the HSC teach better than real teachers? Or they are just sharp-shooters who can help you solving problems quickly? The problem is that they only have limited perspective to gain high scores without the experience to help those who are not currently doing well. If you need recovery learning, they would be the worst teachers?

    Hopeful some one here who is going to Truong's place can comment.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    He's very popular in the southwest area, i had a freind who went there, she told me Truong's quite a strict character. Sometimes his students cry and get verbally abused ahhaha. Dont quote me on this, its all hearsay at the moment, but the general reputation is that Truong's a very strict guy with huge classes.

    in terms of teacher vs ex-student tutors, i think higher-end students benefit more from ex-students, and lower calibre students benefit more from experienced teachers.

    Ex-students tend to skip many steps in their teaching - they teach based on their own experience and assume everyone else is as smart as them - which is great if that was true. E.g. step 1, step 6, step 10, QED

    Whereas teachers (the better ones) are more comprehensive i find

    But teachers themselves are a risk, sometimes you get a real dud and years of experience mean nothing (mr kowalski in ruse, anyone?)

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Truong teaches his year 11s and 12s personally.
    His ex-students only teach year 10 (up to term 4) and under.
    I also go there btw.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by oasfree View Post
    I have heard about Truong's tutoring for a long time. My niece went there for year 7 but now dropped out and use private tutor instead. I heard that Truong's method is to focus on the basics to make sure kids learn and understand what they do. Also Truong hires ex-students to come back to work. This brings the freshness of HSC exams to the class. Obviously he is making a lot money. His classes are fully booked out. But the reason why kids like my niece dropped out was because Truong's tutoring could not get the result over 80%. Since she got a private tutor, she has scraped to 90% level in mathematics tests.

    How you guys feel? Could ex-students who have just done the HSC teach better than real teachers? Or they are just sharp-shooters who can help you solving problems quickly? The problem is that they only have limited perspective to gain high scores without the experience to help those who are not currently doing well. If you need recovery learning, they would be the worst teachers?

    Hopeful some one here who is going to Truong's place can comment.
    I am currently a student of Truong. I can honestly say that since I've been going to his coaching college, I have dramatically improved in maths. I believe I am a lot quicker and a lot more proficient at maths.

    Yes it is true that he hires ex-students as teachers, but these teachers usually get UAIs of 99.xx or even 100 (my current 4U teacher got 100 UAI). I can honestly say that I find both Truong and my teacher very easy to understand. They make maths easy for me to understand and they teach me tricks and shortcuts which I find really helpful. Also in my opinion, he's not about the money. He actually cares about his student's performance and if you cannot pay because of financial difficulties - he will help you out.

    Also with his strictness, yes he is strict, but he can also be a very nice person, as long as you follow his rules - which to me aren't unreasonable at all. Just remain respectful, complete your homework and study hard and you won't have any problems at all. He actually makes jokes in class and does treat his students nicely, as long as they are respectful.

    I'm not saying that if you go to Truong - you will definitely improve in maths. Everybody has their own way of learning. It just so happens that his way works for me and it also works for a lot of students. However for some, private tutors may be the way to go. Hope this has helped.
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by the-derivative View Post
    Also with his strictness, yes he is strict, but he can also be a very nice person, as long as you follow his rules - which to me aren't unreasonable at all. Just remain respectful, complete your homework and study hard and you won't have any problems at all. He actually makes jokes in class and does treat his students nicely, as long as they are respectful.

    I'm not saying that if you go to Truong - you will definitely improve in maths. Everybody has their own way of learning. It just so happens that his way works for me and it also works for a lot of students. However for some, private tutors may be the way to go. Hope this has helped.
    I still have one niece going to Truong's. I was told that he's annoyed about parking violations, skipping home work and non-payment. However I heard he that he was easy on money issues if people talked to him. I heard he would eject any student who violate his rules or when their parents violate parking rules. But people are saying that his classes are hugely popular.

    Anyway, it looks like he knows what he is doing and making very good money.
    Some people are jealous of his success and the set of rules we force on the kids, but that's their business. It's interesting that he uses students to teach. That makes him a millionaire.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Yeah, I am in Year 11 and go to truong, saturday morning class =)

    Hes awesome, teaches clearly and catches you off guard with the questions. The money is really good as well. LEagues ahead of preuni, et.c
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by iSplicer View Post
    Yeah, I am in Year 11 and go to truong, saturday morning class =)

    Hes awesome, teaches clearly and catches you off guard with the questions. The money is really good as well. LEagues ahead of preuni, et.c
    Glad to hear that. He must have got it right using best students as teacher and also focus on the basics. One of my nieces did not get high results from attending his classes. After she was moved one-on-one tutoring, she improved about 10% on her marks. But I suppose one-on-one is always better unless you get a dumb tutor. So it's right on the money. When I was young, I had a very tough teacher. He dealt with tough students (like me) by challenging us to prove that he was wrong. He made up a question from the answer and ask a kid to come to the board and solved in front of the whole class. It was impossible to beat him!

    That was how I was assessed! He did not give out many tests. He just called through the roll and got every one to come up in front of the whole class to solve a problem in a few minutes. Each kid got to do this about 2 times each semester. He gave simpler problems to weaker kids and tough problem to top kids.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by oasfree View Post
    Glad to hear that. He must have got it right using best students as teacher and also focus on the basics. One of my nieces did not get high results from attending his classes. After she was moved one-on-one tutoring, she improved about 10% on her marks. But I suppose one-on-one is always better unless you get a dumb tutor. So it's right on the money. When I was young, I had a very tough teacher. He dealt with tough students (like me) by challenging us to prove that he was wrong. He made up a question from the answer and ask a kid to come to the board and solved in front of the whole class. It was impossible to beat him!

    That was how I was assessed! He did not give out many tests. He just called through the roll and got every one to come up in front of the whole class to solve a problem in a few minutes. Each kid got to do this about 2 times each semester. He gave simpler problems to weaker kids and tough problem to top kids.
    Really?! Truong rarely never does that sort of thing. He teaches very well and clearly, and welcomes questions, but never allows any room for challenges. He very very strongly believes his methods are the only and the best. I got slightly busted for calling the 'chain rule' the 'chain rule', because apparently for him it isn't the 'chain rule'. I asked why and he said we would soon find out.

    That was two months ago and I still don't know.

    But yeah, Truong ftw. I am doing quite well at BHHS because of him.
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by iSplicer View Post
    Really?! Truong rarely never does that sort of thing. He teaches very well and clearly, and welcomes questions, but never allows any room for challenges. He very very strongly believes his methods are the only and the best. I got slightly busted for calling the 'chain rule' the 'chain rule', because apparently for him it isn't the 'chain rule'. I asked why and he said we would soon find out.

    That was two months ago and I still don't know.

    But yeah, Truong ftw. I am doing quite well at BHHS because of him.
    That is because at Truong, the chain rule is dy / dx = (dy/dt) / (dt/dx) - and he doesn't want you to get confused with the other rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSplicer
    True, but I find that better. It forces you to pay attention so he won't catch you off guard with a question and be yelled at =)

    But to me, he's very nice =)
    Yeah - he's actually a really nice person to you - as long as you prove you're willing to learn and you are respectful. That goes with his other teachers - all his teachers that I have had are extremely nice to me. But yeah - you gotta be on guard because he doesn't take silly mistakes too well.
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by the-derivative View Post
    That is because at Truong, the chain rule is dy / dx = (dy/dt) / (dt/dx) - and he doesn't want you to get confused with the other rule.
    Which other rule?
    Quote Originally Posted by the-derivative View Post
    Yeah - he's actually a really nice person to you - as long as you prove you're willing to learn and you are respectful. That goes with his other teachers - all his teachers that I have had are extremely nice to me. But yeah - you gotta be on guard because he doesn't take silly mistakes too well.
    True, although I haven't really seen him go off, like some people have told me... has he exploded in any of ur classes?
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Well, by the look of it he is a bit of an authoritative person or a kind dictator which is expected of a rich guy like him. If he does not allow room for challenge, then I don't like recommending him to any one. Teachers should allow room for challenge. One problem with allowing kids to challenge is that they get used to it and challenge indiscriminately. But not allowing it is bad too. Kids will never really learn enough.

    There is a real difference in learning and training to get the best mark. Truong obviously tries to make sure kids get the basics but also face the need to get them the best marks. This is hard. So he teaches the "best" strategy in his own view to allow kids to solve problems the quickest to move on to next question. But this is pushing formula and kids won't learn a lot. They will forget soon after learning and doing the exam. Any one who leaves him has no chance of coming back, so it was a hard decision for my niece to leave him as he would not allow a break (for relaxation). But since she got one-on-one, she has improved 10% so it was good to leave.

    So he targets the middle market leaving out the silliest and the brightest. I suppose the brightest would not go to coaching any way. If they are serious the parents would hire a math PhD to do one-on-one.

    BTW, do you have any Caucasian in his classes or any other ethnicity apart from Vietnamese? He is Vietnamese so I expect most students there would be Vietnamese?

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by iSplicer View Post
    Yep, most students are vietnamese or chinese. I have never seen any caucasian, ever. I was the only one with an Indian background for three years, until another one came along =)

    Also, Truong is extremely sexist.
    I suppose Caucasian like coaching places that look Caucasian. Put it this way, I am not Caucasian but I would not like any place that does not look clean, sparkling, friendly and professional looking. I always check the toilet and equipment to make sure if the owner is serious maintaining quality on the simple things. That means I just live among the wider Australian community.

    The sexist thing is an attitude that is often the result of having money and running a business that is so tied to a single community of people where women often like to stay home and spend money rather than going out to make money. As they spend so much time with one group of people, they lose all the good imports of Western liberal attitudes they get at University. The older they become, the worst it will get. However some people are not sexist. They may joke about it making it looks a bit sexist but they are really not.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by oasfree View Post
    Well, by the look of it he is a bit of an authoritative person or a kind dictator which is expected of a rich guy like him. If he does not allow room for challenge, then I don't like recommending him to any one. Teachers should allow room for challenge. One problem with allowing kids to challenge is that they get used to it and challenge indiscriminately. But not allowing it is bad too. Kids will never really learn enough.

    There is a real difference in learning and training to get the best mark. Truong obviously tries to make sure kids get the basics but also face the need to get them the best marks. This is hard. So he teaches the "best" strategy in his own view to allow kids to solve problems the quickest to move on to next question. But this is pushing formula and kids won't learn a lot. They will forget soon after learning and doing the exam. Any one who leaves him has no chance of coming back, so it was a hard decision for my niece to leave him as he would not allow a break (for relaxation). But since she got one-on-one, she has improved 10% so it was good to leave.

    So he targets the middle market leaving out the silliest and the brightest. I suppose the brightest would not go to coaching any way. If they are serious the parents would hire a math PhD to do one-on-one.

    BTW, do you have any Caucasian in his classes or any other ethnicity apart from Vietnamese? He is Vietnamese so I expect most students there would be Vietnamese?
    I too am a current student that go to his tutoring, I must say, I've been to quite a number of tuition centres and his is the best by far.

    He isn't as arrogant or authoritative as you make him out to be. Yes, he may be rich, but he surely doesn't show it off. He drives a normal family Honda sedan and lives in a house that's average sized.
    In regards to the challenges he sets out to his students, he gets them to practice by doing all those questions from those trials, this prepares the students to be ready for any hard questions they could possibly throw at you.

    The strategies and methods he teaches sets students up for the HSC, and after all, isn't that really all that matters right now? So all the formulas that you learn will only need to be remembered for the HSC. I should add that his formulas and methods all work anyway, so there's no need to worry about memorising a formula that wouldn't work.

    Yes there are Caucasian students in his classes. In mine for example, we've got students from many ethnic backgrounds; Arabic, Indian, Caucasians, Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese.
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by xMrRand0m View Post
    In regards to the challenges he sets out to his students, he gets them to practice by doing all those questions from those trials, this prepares the students to be ready for any hard questions they could possibly throw at you.

    The strategies and methods he teaches sets students up for the HSC, and after all, isn't that really all that matters right now?
    It seems so but when students get to University, those who depend on memorising formulas to score high in the HSC will suffer badly. What he does only help to get into the door, not helping to prepare the students for what is inside the door. I am not sure if normal schools prepare students for University either. That's the catch 22. At University it's all about understanding the concepts and theories. It's about how you use the knowledge in real applications. This is why there is a big rate of students dropping out or those who just scrape 45% to get a pass terminated (not allow to move on). Also the long years of coaching takes toll on the students. Students who depend too much on coaching will lose out both on mental burnt-out and losing the coaching by the time they they are in University level.

    Ideally coaching should be about learning and about filling the gaps left open by normal schools.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    My sister goes there for Maths. I find that while it is probably helpful for an average student, those at the higher end would probably not benefit as much. One thing I don't like about the place is that everyone (even the tutors themselves) must do the question his way and not their own way (most high end students tend to develop their own ways of solving things). I taught my sister some alternative methods to some questions which are acceptable at school but not so much at the tutor, despite often being the quicker method. So basically, if the school teaches one method and the tutor teaches it with another method it becomes quite annoying to switch back and forth lol. However, that being said, some tutors don't really give a crap if you try an alternative method despite what he says lol

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla View Post
    My sister goes there for Maths. I find that while it is probably helpful for an average student, those at the higher end would probably not benefit as much. One thing I don't like about the place is that everyone (even the tutors themselves) must do the question his way and not their own way (most high end students tend to develop their own ways of solving things). I taught my sister some alternative methods to some questions which are acceptable at school but not so much at the tutor, despite often being the quicker method. So basically, if the school teaches one method and the tutor teaches it with another method it becomes quite annoying to switch back and forth lol. However, that being said, some tutors don't really give a crap if you try an alternative method despite what he says lol
    I think this is an attempt to get the best average result rather than ego. He probably wants the kids to use what seems to be the fastest way to get a problem out of the way and he also wants this to be adopted across the board for efficiency. I would encourage his own kid(s) to be different and work out their own methods. After all the business is to go after the money. It's not about catering for a particular type of kids.

    If you can help your sister, she probably should not be going to Truong's. Mass coaching like this is never intended for very smart kids. One-on-one is what needed for the weak kids and the very smart ones (to become genius).

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by iSplicer View Post
    We could comment on truong himself all day long, but the bottom line is he is a fantastic and brillian person and has tutored me a billion times better than any other commercial tutoring college, and has hence improved my marks drastically. All for $12.50 /hour.

    Thankyou Sir.
    Well said.
    If you don't like the way he teaches - then fine, you're free to do so. All we're saying is that we're happy with his methods and that they work for us.
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by iSplicer View Post
    We could comment on truong himself all day long, but the bottom line is he is a fantastic and brillian person and has tutored me a billion times better than any other commercial tutoring college, and has hence improved my marks drastically. All for $12.50 /hour.

    Thankyou Sir.
    Is that the fee? How many hours do you have to attend per week at the minimum? How many students in each class? I heard he was making a kill with so many students.

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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

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    Is that the fee? How many hours do you have to attend per week at the minimum? How many students in each class? I heard he was making a kill with so many students.
    We have 1 lesson a week which is 1hr and 45 minutes. Unless you do 4U like I do, where you have an additional 1hr 45 min lesson and sometimes we have additional lessons, but they're usually with one of his teachers so they're really cheap (additional lessons are like $10 for 3 hours).

    The main thing with truong is his classes are really large, because he has such a large waiting list.
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    Re: Truong's tutoring, any comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by the-derivative View Post
    We have 1 lesson a week which is 1hr and 45 minutes. Unless you do 4U like I do, where you have an additional 1hr 45 min lesson and sometimes we have additional lessons, but they're usually with one of his teachers so they're really cheap (additional lessons are like $10 for 3 hours).

    The main thing with truong is his classes are really large, because he has such a large waiting list.
    The fee looks reasonable but the large class is what expected as he makes money on large numbers rather than high price. The drawback of large class is that you only get canned lessons and probably be asked to push formulas rather than being creative. You also get less chance to explore other methods. You get the single "best" view of whoever the teacher you have. His service fits the budget. That's why he seems so successful.

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