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    Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Was wondering if anyone has gone to 'Fairfield Troung's recommendation' for English. Heard the teacher there from sefton is really good but the waiting list is extremely long and the classes were too big. Was wondering if that was true. Anyone have any idea?

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Yes, I know the English teacher. She is very good.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Ahh she's called Ms Diab, i don't go for english but i go for maths, but i hear from friends that she's a pretty good teacher. Yea, i think there is quite a long waiting list as some classes are already full :S
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Very Good!!

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    is it during 12:50-2 on saturday?

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    HAHAHA, Ms Diab is the BOMB! And quite fly if I may add.

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    english tutoring is pretty useless unless they focus on the text you are studying at school; pretty much just comprehension work- in identifying techniques

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    ms diab is a good teacher but useless at sefton cos all she does is talk to the students about social tihngs rather than actually teach.

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by jellybelly59
    Was wondering if anyone has gone to 'Fairfield Troung's recommendation' for English. Heard the teacher there from sefton is really good but the waiting list is extremely long and the classes were too big. Was wondering if that was true. Anyone have any idea?
    Ms Diab is an awesome teacher .
    The chances of joining are slim due to the size of the classes as you've mentioned. If you want to join at Canley Heights/Fairfield, apparently you also have to go to maths/science there too.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Funny how Ms Diab is such a reputable teacher, yet Sefton's English results are just shocking (close to 100th ranked school in the state for English, keeping in mind it has a selective stream!)....
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    We weren't that bad at english. :S
    I got 47 for my Ext2 English piece last year.

    Diab is an awesome teacher! There's also another teacher there, Mr. Tishler, who teaches at Macq Fields. He's really really good, I had him last year for yr12 at Truong's.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrio
    Yes, I know the English teacher. She is very good.
    Do you go to sefton high school? What do you think of mrs. repin? (have you had her as a teacher before, cause my parents want me to go there for tutoring)

    I heard mrs. diab is really good cause she knows a lot, but my friends from truong's says she doesn't have a lot of sheets and materials (at least for their school work, like we do identity but she was covering change, what a waste - this is for year 11 btw)

    Quote Originally Posted by 12o9
    Ms Diab is a awesome teacher .
    The chances of joining are slim due to the size of the classes as you've mentioned. If you want to join at Canley Heights/Fairfield, apparently you also have to go to maths/science there too.
    If she's so good how come you can't even get your 'a' and 'an's correct hehe?
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremychung
    Do you go to sefton high school? What do you think of mrs. repin? (have you had her as a teacher before, cause my parents want me to go there for tutoring)

    I heard mrs. diab is really good cause she knows a lot, but my friends from truong's says she doesn't have a lot of sheets and materials (at least for their school work, like we do identity but she was covering change, what a waste - this is for year 11 btw)


    If she's so good how come you can't even get your 'a' and 'an's correct hehe?
    Hey,

    Yes, I know Ms Repin. She's/was my English teacher. I personally feel as if she is a wonderful teacher, if you do the work she sets and listen to her attentively. Keep asking her to mark your essays because she gives many useful tips on how to improve. Like any class, you have to put in the effort to reap the benefits; going to tutoring in the vain hope that it'll miraculously boost your marks without any effort will be useless, and a waste of time...
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla
    Funny how Ms Diab is such a reputable teacher, yet Sefton's English results are just shocking (close to 100th ranked school in the state for English, keeping in mind it has a selective stream!)....
    Sefton's mediocre/poor results stem from the fact that there is a culture of focusing on maths/science, and not enough on English. Most people who complain and moan about the English staff are too lazy to do work, or just dislike English generally. And when they don't do the work set, they complain about the marks the receive. Go figure.

    Yes, some teachers may not be excellent, but we must bear in mind that all schools will have its share of poor teachers. Sefton's English results are more reflective of the lack of effort placed into English by its students than the teaching ability of our English faculty. There are more than capable English teachers in our school - Levick, Repin, Diab, Pothoven come to the fore of my mind.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrio
    Hey,

    Yes, I know Ms Repin. She's/was my English teacher. I personally feel as if she is a wonderful teacher, if you do the work she sets and listen to her attentively.
    Ok thanks, might try her out!
    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla
    Funny how Ms Diab is such a reputable teacher, yet Sefton's English results are just shocking (close to 100th ranked school in the state for English, keeping in mind it has a selective stream!)....
    Hmm you've got a point. My friends who had her didn't really improve as well, many deproved (though they did say she was still good, funny etc)

    Oh and jayadore isn't 37 like failing? I'd want at least 80+ i think ... Don't know how good sefton english is then (and btw my friends who go there are actually really hard working, at least more than me).

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    I think Jayadore got 47 lol.

    Actually, she definitely did get 47.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremychung
    Oh and jayadore isn't 37 like failing? I'd want at least 80+ i think ... Don't know how good sefton english is then (and btw my friends who go there are actually really hard working, at least more than me).
    um isnt this the marks for ext 2? Ext 2 is marked out of 50 so thats not too bad. I would be happy if i got 37 for english extension.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremychung
    If she's so good how come you can't even get your 'a' and 'an's correct hehe?
    Originally I wrote that she was a 'hectic' teacher then changed it to an 'awesome' one. :P Thanks for pointing that out though.

    That being said, I'm not that great at English and that's why I attend her classes .

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremychung
    Ok thanks, might try her out!

    Hmm you've got a point. My friends who had her didn't really improve as well, many deproved (though they did say she was still good, funny etc)

    Oh and jayadore isn't 37 like failing? I'd want at least 80+ i think ... Don't know how good sefton english is then (and btw my friends who go there are actually really hard working, at least more than me).
    Ext1 and 2 English are marked out of 50.

    Ms. Repin is an okay teacher. She's very .. you need to shift through all her seemingly irrelevant information to get to the good things she actually (if at all) teaches you.

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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrio
    Sefton's mediocre/poor results stem from the fact that there is a culture of focusing on maths/science, and not enough on English. Most people who complain and moan about the English staff are too lazy to do work, or just dislike English generally. And when they don't do the work set, they complain about the marks the receive. Go figure.

    Yes, some teachers may not be excellent, but we must bear in mind that all schools will have its share of poor teachers. Sefton's English results are more reflective of the lack of effort placed into English by its students than the teaching ability of our English faculty. There are more than capable English teachers in our school - Levick, Repin, Diab, Pothoven come to the fore of my mind.
    I choose to believe otherwise. The people who actually do put the effort in and do the work still don't get good scores. I knew people who love and are really good at English/Arts, and somehow they still don't manage a band 6 or even close to it? Even the top students (those who usually love English and work hard in it) tend to get low band 6 in Advanced, few have ever scored any better than that. Some students who migrated to other schools, and were relatively low ranked (average) at Sefton before they left, ended up with final HSC marks in English which corresponded to about top 10 at Sefton.

    I mean from my own experience, there were heaps of people who entered in Year 7 who loved English over Maths. By Year 12, many became converted to liking Maths over English. Surely there must be some cause of this "maths/science" culture. Perhaps the teachers don't make English as interesting as it should be? It may also be thanks to their ridiculously pedantic marking schemes which screws everyone's confidence in English and cause many to just "give up". Perhaps the Maths faculty are better at making their own subject area more attractive?

    I'm not saying that all the teachers in the English faculty are completely responsible for the results. However, I do believe they have some contribution to the school's poor results to certain extent (though they may have you believe otherwise).

    That being said, Ms Diab is probably the standout best of the entire English faculty. According to the experience of others, they often said that they learn more from Ms Diab in one period than all the periods taught by Levick, Repin or Pothoven put together.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla
    I choose to believe otherwise. The people who actually do put the effort in and do the work still don't get good scores. I knew people who love and are really good at English/Arts, and somehow they still don't manage a band 6 or even close to it? Even the top students (those who usually love English and work hard in it) tend to get low band 6 in Advanced, few have ever scored any better than that. Some students who migrated to other schools, and were relatively low ranked (average) at Sefton before they left, ended up with final HSC marks in English which corresponded to about top 10 at Sefton.

    I mean from my own experience, there were heaps of people who entered in Year 7 who loved English over Maths. By Year 12, many became converted to liking Maths over English. Surely there must be some cause of this "maths/science" culture. Perhaps the teachers don't make English as interesting as it should be? It may also be thanks to their ridiculously pedantic marking schemes which screws everyone's confidence in English and cause many to just "give up". Perhaps the Maths faculty are better at making their own subject area more attractive?

    I'm not saying that all the teachers in the English faculty are completely responsible for the results. However, I do believe they have some contribution to the school's poor results to certain extent (though they may have you believe otherwise).

    That being said, Ms Diab is probably the standout best of the entire English faculty. According to the experience of others, they often said that they learn more from Ms Diab in one period than all the periods taught by Levick, Repin or Pothoven put together.
    I'm not denying the fact that Sefton's English department is perfect. Far from it, actually, and I do tend to agree that Sefton's English marking criteria are usually harsh and, in some cases, unfair. However, I don't think there can be any doubt that most kids in Sefton will ultimately gravitate towards the maths and the sciences (which, if we're being completely honest, isn't that good, and probably isn't even as good as English if we're talking about chemistry). I can't find a single reason why this would be... perhaps English is not as attractive, true, but this is our HSC's we're talking about - if you want to succeed, you need to put in the work.

    In year 12, you are expressly told that the marking schemes at Sefton are ridiculously harsh, but only to allow you to benefit in the grand schemes of things when HSC moderation plays into your favour. Also, we're also told to put effort into perfecting our essays that can be easily moulded to suit most questions, and in my experience this works best; even the most brilliant of minds will not, unless they are given a burst of inspiration, find forty minutes insufficient.

    Last year, we received 13 band 6's in advanced English, which is a marked improvement from previous year.s 13 out of roughly 65 students in advanced means that we're roughly getting one in five kids in that particular course scoring band six. As for standard, I do agree that more of them should be able to do advanced, because we don't get band sixes in standard and invariably, our ranks drop. For the most part, I tend not to emphasise ranks because ranks are only based on how many band sixes were scored out of the number of students attempting a course. In many cases, as with the strength of our standard English results, this does not seem to be a fair indication, as many students will rank within the top 1% of the state in that course.

    All in all, I don't think our English department is all that bad. If we're being completely honest, there are some other facets of our school that could be improved, such as our chemistry course. I do recall us getting only one band six in chemistry in 2006, yet our science faculty often escapes any excessively harsh criticism. I think for English, our students just need to approach it with more of a positive attitude.
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrio
    I do recall us getting only one band six in chemistry in 2006, yet our science faculty often escapes any excessively harsh criticism.
    That's because it's the only year that has ever happened. Most of the time it is much more. In 2005, it was 17, not sure about 2007 though. The results in English, on the other hand are usually similar every year. 2007 was a one-off I reckon (much like Class of 05 was a one-off), since the number of band 6s in Advanced for the state overall was at its highest ever.

    Oh and btw, what the hell were you doing posting at 3am?!!! Get some sleep man! Sleep is important to aid your study!
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    miss diab is the best nah u dont have to join science at troung but u have to do maths and its very unlikely that ull get into her class because troung picks the names of the people who are going in the class from a hat. Troung told us there is about 150 people on the waiting list
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by Trebla
    That's because it's the only year that has ever happened. Most of the time it is much more. In 2005, it was 17, not sure about 2007 though. The results in English, on the other hand are usually similar every year. 2007 was a one-off I reckon (much like Class of 05 was a one-off), since the number of band 6s in Advanced for the state overall was at its highest ever.

    Oh and btw, what the hell were you doing posting at 3am?!!! Get some sleep man! Sleep is important to aid your study!
    Haha, yeah I should sleep earlier. Sleeping at 12am tonight.

    I've been working my arse off in English. Which is, needless to say, my best/favourite subject. =P
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    Re: Fairfield Troung's recommendation - English

    Quote Originally Posted by OliverQ
    ms diab is a good teacher but useless at sefton cos all she does is talk to the students about social tihngs rather than actually teach.
    Ms diab is without a doubt the best teacher in the english faculty. she goes out of her way to help students who are in need of help, she is the most hard working and dedicated teacher i know and one lesson with her is definitely like a whole year's worth of teaching from other teachers. She teaches so much more in comparison to the teachers i have had. Ms diab does not socialise with students, its pretty much the opposite...she makes you work as hard as possible, trying to make you reach your maximum potential. Without Ms diab at sefton high, the english faculty would be useless.

    i go to truong's for math and sciences, he said there will be spaces soon but his math classes have first priority...good luck trying to get in. i have heard truong say she is one of the best english tutors in the state.

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