is it true that private school students tend to get a higher UAI than public schools?

[alexvincent]

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Originally Posted by Bookie

I see you go to Patrician Brothers Fairfield, so you must be rolling around in some facilities while there are demountables collapsing at my local high school.

What school I go to isn't the point. My point was that the Gov't discriminates when it distributes its education funding (at the expense of public schools).

Anyhow, systemic Catholic schools are not funded as much as public schools are. My school has facilities from school fees and annual fundraisers but is still 'that school down by the creek in the Western suburbs'. Our facilities are no match for private schools'. Moreover, our school is an outstanding exception amongst Catholic schools. Most Catholic schools are underfunded and they can't fundraise like we do, or receive substantial school fees like we do. As a result, they have facilities like a lot of poor public schools.

Latham's education policy would have decreased inequality dramatically. I was all for it. Were you Bookie? If I had to guess I would say that you were/are a Latham supporter. You've got that good Aussie irreverance in you that Latham had (emphasis on 'good'). Might I say without offense that he also supported homosexual rights (Howard doesn't).

"Neck up son"? I like it. Mind if I use that one?

[Bookie]

Originally Posted by alexvincent

What school I go to isn't the point. My point was that the Gov't discriminates when it distributes its education funding (at the expense of public schools).

Oh of course, most certainly. Schools like Riverview and SCEGGS are so far ahead of others its not funny, and to know that the government is giving more money to them than to 'government' schools. Brilliant isn't it?

Anyhow, systemic Catholic schools are not funded as much as public schools are. My school has facilities from school fees and annual fundraisers but is still 'that school down by the creek in the Western suburbs'. Our facilities are no match for private schools'. Moreover, our school is an outstanding exception amongst Catholic schools. Most Catholic schools are underfunded and they can't fundraise like we do, or receive substantial school fees like we do. As a result, they have facilities like a lot of poor public schools.

Latham's education policy would have decreased inequality dramatically. I was all for it. Were you Bookie? If I had to guess I would say that you were/are a Latham supporter. You've got that good Aussie irreverance in you that Latham had (emphasis on 'good'). Might I say without offense that he also supported homosexual rights (Howard doesn't).

Lathams policies would most certianly have decreased inequality,. but people vote for what affects them, and personally for me, i wouldve voted for Howard. But i dont give a shit about politics :S

"Neck up son"? I like it. Mind if I use that one?

Yeah, just dont get "hung up" over it. Get it? Neck, hung?

[vojnik]

The HSC doesnt discriminate. It is fair for every person, regardless of sex,race,social status,financial status,etc,etc.You just have to have a good memory to do well in the HSC, thats all.

[lala2]

as reiterated throughout this thread, it's mainly the environment that encourages private school students to do better (same goes for selectives). I tell you private schools do the most amount of spoonfeeding ever (since I did my HSC in one), and hence their Yaer 12 graduates bascially flounder during uni time, as I'm painfully experiencing now. I can only say I'm glad I'm not like those poor Kindy-Yr 12 ppl who have never known anything else apart from a private school (and the same one at that) their entire life.

[rama_v]

My theory is a really bright student will do well just about anywhere with the right attitude, no matter what school they go to (worse comes to worse, they will teach themselves). But a borderline student with a marginal attitude may find a school with better facilities and with a better learning environment more stimulating and be somewhat encouraged to do better.

[Tazball]

Its not the school its the students, yeah at public schools i recon you get my distractions from the bluggers - their only there because their to bloody lazy to get a job... But i definately think its up to us, and the UAI we achieve is probably what we deserve...

[k_stroud22]

i think that they (private + public schools) are basically the same, but private schools get heaps more resources (like individual laptops!!?). like what i said in a previous thread

a few years ago, some1 from our school (i think it was chelsea herman) got 99.95 for her uai and our school is deemed to be the best in the region, we got an award for being one of the best regional schools in the state and woopi (woolgoolga) is a public school. so u don't have to go to private schools to get the top marks. (no offence meant to those in private schools)

our school has pretty good teachers too, relating to our schools in our region (but there are some exceptions when i say teachers @ our school... like every other i suppose...)

[samcg]

it's true that private school kids get better UAIs i think, they get into the courses they want in university. but public school kids do better in uni when they get there because they know how to research and find stuff better, coz in high school they didnt have the same access to resources. i go to a public school, if you want to do well, you have to apply yourself.
the teachers at my school are really helpful, they usually take time out to help you if you have a problem with something. on of my friends got tutoring from one of the maths teachers, it helped her heaps.
lol, we have a secret coffee stash in the history/legal classroom, we're in there enough

[buymycar60]

yeah, i go to a private skool and its cos every1 has tutors and the teachers feel so pressurized to get their students to do well cos otherwise their parents are on their backs. there's so much competition as well, its kind of scary. its like if someone got a uai of 70 or something, it would be almost like failing cos it feels like if u go to a private skool, u should be able to get at least 90. its fully retarded.

[luscious-llama]

Originally Posted by samcg

it's true that private school kids get better UAIs i think, they get into the courses they want in university. but public school kids do better in uni when they get there because they know how to research and find stuff better, coz in high school they didnt have the same access to resources. i go to a public school, if you want to do well, you have to apply yourself.
the teachers at my school are really helpful, they usually take time out to help you if you have a problem with something. on of my friends got tutoring from one of the maths teachers, it helped her heaps.
lol, we have a secret coffee stash in the history/legal classroom, we're in there enough

Trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
We have an ancient history glucose (read: sugar) container.
God bless good teachers.

Originally Posted by vojnik

The HSC doesnt discriminate. It is fair for every person, regardless of sex,race,social status,financial status,etc,etc.You just have to have a good memory to do well in the HSC, thats all.

Maybe the exams. Not the assessments.
To do well I define as doing 90+.
The hsc is not completely fair for all.
But that may be a good thing because come University/TAFE/Workplace/Private College, there's not going to be any spoonfeeding, "sickies" or anything like we've come to expect from a supportive high school
You're on your owwwwwwwwwwwwn
[alternatively you can befriend and bribe a nerd/genius.]

Originally Posted by kangarulz

I don't believe that you have to be rich to go to a private school. sure enough, theres scots school where u get the rich kids, but at mine, parents slave their asses off just to be able to afford for it - none of the parents have jobs like lawyers, doctors etc, theyre all farmers or teachers.
we're paying an average of $5000p.a. i know its $5000 more than what the public schools are paying.. but to say that you have to be of the high-socioeconomic level isn't true

At every fucking private school there'll be someone from a non priviledged background. But the majority of parents sending their children to these schools are from a higher socioeconomic level than the average joe.
Farmers and teachers are still well off.
And that's coming from experience, all the teachers i've had have been able to send their children overseas on exchanges and things. And I go to a public school.
I also am familiar with some farmers, sure that they have bad years and what not and its not like they have a choice to send their kids to a private boarding school because of their location. Yet they're still able to afford it.

Another thing to take into consideration in this debate or whatever you'd like to call it is that there are elite private schools and the average private school.
I guess the topic of this should be changed to "Is it true that elite private school students tend to get higher UAI's than public schools?
Because the answer would be far more definate than 100 people lobying their cases in defiance against their attending of a private school. I understand.

Still I enjoy hearing everyone's opinions and Bookie's reactions. Ha.
Fuck elite private schools.

[Monstar]

Depends what private school.. if your talking about something like Kings.. i think they do about average.. but if your talking about sydney grammer they come in top 5 (correct me if im wrong).




and all you public people.. quit complaining like pussies and do the work and it'll all pay off

I go to a public school and you dont see me complaining..

wimps.. bitches .. etc

[biggie walls]

I Fink We Shood Privatise The Whole Edjacashun Sistem! So Then Those Rich Bastards Can Run Everyfing And Exploit Us Poor Illiterate Sodzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Bookie]

Originally Posted by monstar

Depends what private school.. if your talking about something like Kings.. i think they do about average.. but if your talking about sydney grammer they come in top 5 (correct me if im wrong).




and all you public people.. quit complaining like pussies and do the work and it'll all pay off

I go to a public school and you dont see me complaining..

wimps.. bitches .. etc

Kings are pretty average (on my terms) wheras schools like Scots College where students are paying a good $15000, no one got on the DA list there. God, Scots is such a shit school. Theyre shit at sport and theyre teachers rape em. To all those who go to Scots, youre so shit its unbeleivable.

Grammar (who came 7th last year I think) in my opinion is the best school in New South Wales. They have excellent location, excellent facilities, great sporting culture, a highly commendable music and debating program and leadership there is also excellent. Oh, and they have the best educational resources available. As a High boy, I hate the fuckers. But the truth must be told, they're the best. Of course, you gotta fork out the $20k or so - or be incredibly smart and gain a scholarship. It's well worth it if you've got the dough.

Originally Posted by biggie walls

I Fink We Shood Privatise The Whole Edjacashun Sistem! So Then Those Rich Bastards Can Run Everyfing And Exploit Us Poor Illiterate Sodzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Your attempt at hilarity was incredibly shit. Go jump off a bridge, there needs to be more dead bodies in Sydney Harbour.

[kara2006]

no i think its definately not true i go to a private school and not even passing.. there may b some nerds here but theres alot of ppl here who r sent away to board and hate it so they distrupt every1 else.. but i think it does also depend on the school as i go to a college specialising in agriculture & horse it prob doesnt help..

[Mr. Sabuncuoglu]

yes.. and yes to your first part of the follow up question in your post.. the nerd thing