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Posting on behalf of my GF, she wants to do journalism and i havent been able to find the right course for her.

There are various Arts in Communications courses and i hear that you can major in journalism in an Arts course? What the? I'm lost already.

So could you please help me out (for her sake :O)

Probably either at UTS, USYD or UNSW!
 

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Ok, the degrees which major in journalism specifically are what you'll be looking at, these are:

BA in Communications (Journalism) at UTS
BA in Media & Communications at USYD
BCommunications at UWS
BCommunications & Media Studies (Journalism) at UOW
BJournalism at UOW (new in 07)
BA (Communications - Journalism) at CSU

I'd probably say that of these the CSU and UTS ones are the best for a vocational education - you'll be well equipped after graduating with either of those for they give considerable experience with internships and field work. The BJournalism at UOW also sounds good, though I have no idea how it will actually turn out since its a new course. The USYD one, while it has the snazzy name, probably has the least repute. However, the USYD degree allows room to study personal interests widely in a way that the other listed degrees don't - for example I only get like 4 electives in my communications degree, a USYDer might have like 16 units of electives which is something to take into account.

There are also alot of other closely related areas in the communications field that your girlfriend should look into if she is interested in that industry.


EDIT: Here are the links to all the handbooks for the communications courses, its important to go over these in depth before choosing:
http://handbook.uws.edu.au/HBOOK/course.asp?course=1613.1
http://www.handbook.uts.edu.au/hss/ug/index.html
http://www.hscandbeyond.mq.edu.au/course_information/Media_studies.htm
http://www.arts.usyd.edu.au/future_students/undergrad/media.shtml
http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/undergraduate/programs/2006/3402.html
http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/undergraduate/programs/2006/3993.html
http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/undergraduate/programs/2006/3994.html
http://www.uow.edu.au/handbook/yr2006/dept_ArtMstudies.html
http://www.csu.edu.au/cgi-pub/cours...n,+media&submit.x=84&submit.y=4&submit=Submit
 
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Media and Comm @ UNSW, that isn't journalism is it?

And what about the B Arts @ UNSW and USYD? The UAC tells me that career options in journalism are available for these courses?
 
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jaydot said:
Media and Comm @ UNSW, that isn't journalism is it?

And what about the B Arts @ UNSW and USYD? The UAC tells me that career options in journalism are available for these courses?
You can do any degree and be a journalist. When it comes down to it, TAFE will get you into a career in journalism better than any uni. The main thing is your experience when you apply, which is why a more vocational degree that has an intensive study in journalism combined with extensive practical experience is preferable than a general BA. Which is exactly what the BAs at UNSW/USYD are for they do not have any media, communications or journalistic studies.

Which is, as I said earlier, not a real barrier since you don't need to have studied journalism to work in the industry but considering there are waaaaay more people who want to work as journalists as opposed to positions available then it'll be an uphill battle.

With the BA or BSc in Media & Comm at UNSW, you study an arts or science major depending on which degree and thats paired with a major in multimedia/media arts type stuff.
 

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I think you will find, and most carrerr advisers will say, that CSU in Bathurst has an excellent Journalism course.
 

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when i went to news limited last year they said bathrust had the best one in the country but getting a journalism degree doesnt really help you all that much when going for a cadetship. life experience (ie. being a worldy person) and being able to think on your feet are the most important things. and remember, if you do a journalism degree there isnt much you can do if you dont make it into journalism because its just so competitive.
 

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Anyone can be a journalist, but a B Journalism won't get you many places except into journalism
 

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kami said:
With the BA or BSc in Media & Comm at UNSW, you study an arts or science major depending on which degree and thats paired with a major in multimedia/media arts type stuff.
Looking at the UAC book, BA in M&C @ UNSW it says, "Employment in media production and communication industries which rely on digital media. Graduates will have the skills to develop and use new media products, not only in the context of the information and entertainment industries, but also in education, publicity and media"

The definition of digital media/multi-media to me is basically online stuff. Am i correct to say that this won't get my GF into journalism, say, in newpapers, on tv, etc.
 

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jaydot said:
Am i correct to say that this won't get my GF into journalism, say, in newpapers, on tv, etc.
kami said:
You can do any degree and be a journalist. When it comes down to it, TAFE will get you into a career in journalism better than any uni.
AsyLum said:
Anyone can be a journalist, but a B Journalism won't get you many places except into journalism
Like it says above, any degree or diploma can do it if she is willing to work for it. But if she wants to *study* journalism itself, then she would have to do one of the degrees mentioned [of which I personally reccomend CSU and UTS]. Also as mentioned journalism is very competitive and there are a surplus of journo grads/students as opposed to actual journo jobs.

This is a reason some prefer the USYD (and to an extent MQ) format as it allows many more electives than the CSU/UTS/UWS/UC/UOW degrees do and as such allows you to develop skills in another area. As an aside, many would be journalists also end up attempting to become authors, publishers and teaching english in highschool or teaching journalism at uni as an alternative to actual journalism as a career.

Also, when looking for course details, it is better to look at the uni sites than the UAC guide because you can look at actual units you'd be studying for yourself.
 

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I tried to get to the UNSW site last night, Trojan virus on its main page, lol?
 

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Heaps of ABC journos graduated from CSU, the Herald is closely affiliated with UTS, and er, apparently the Daily Telegraph draws most of its recruits from UWS (I forgot my source)........................... go figure

That said, make sure your girlfriend is certain that she wants to be a journalist. With the exception of the USYD course (ignore the ridiculously high UAI, the general consensus is that it's inane and superficial), make sure your girlfriend is completely sure that she wants to do journalism, and nothing else. After having talked to UTS advisers, a great way into the profession would be to do a generalist degree (that is, Arts, or Economic Social Sciences at Usyd), before proceeding onto Journalism at UTS or CSU, which you can do by distance education at the latter. This would also give you a postgrad qualification, possibly a masters.

As great as the UTS course may be vocational wise, there's little scope for learning about the world you'll have to write about. That's not to say this is only possible through the textbooks, but having that generalist qualification could better open up other areas such as Finance Journalism.
Otherwise, UTS Journalism/Int.studies could suffice
 

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Please Help

if you want to be a journalist and you have just finished your HSC and got a good UAi therefore allowing you into all courses, what should you do

go to tafe or uni considering you live in Sydney's West

where should you go, and what do you study, how do people select their employers after the completion of the course

Also if someone does Bach of Arts media and comm
combined with bach of law
will they be offered an internship in Media and Comm, Journalism after the completion of the course.

Thanks for this but its all so confusing.
 

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Should you go to TAFE, you will do a very vocational Diploma that will involve the study of communications and journalism and nothing else. You will gain alot of work experience (short internships if you will) throughout your course. All up, a Diploma would go for about two years and would cost you about $2,000 in total, which is less than what a university course will cost in one year.

The following TAFE/CIT diplomas would allow you to study Journalism:

University however is quite different - even the most vocational degrees will permit you to study a certain amount of electives in another field - ones that can cater to your personal interests or possibly develop the foundation for another area of employment(teaching, writing etc.). Your studies will also continue for longer, and in greater depth, which will also allow you to decide whether this industry is what you really want and can allow you to develop other areas of expertise. In many universities, you will however recieve a more theory based education than if you went to TAFE and not all degrees will offer internships.

Using rough estimates, a CSP degree would cost anywhere between $3,000 and $5,000 per year and a FEE place would be $16,000+ per year. Both of which can be deferred through government loans. A university degree will also go for 3-4 years if it is a single, and 4 - 6 years if it is a double degree.

The undergraduate university degrees in which you may specialise in journalism are:

The graduate employment rates for TAFE graduates in the communications industries are also higher than uni graduates, however this does not neccesarily mean that the job opportunities themselves are better as it is likely the jobs acquired by TAFE graduates will be of a more rudimentary level than a university graduate and in the journalism industry only.

Personally, I would opt for university if only because it opens up a different range of opportunities for you, and if you desire the more practical sides of TAFE you'd gain that by working after your degree anyway.

Of the universities listed, I'd probably opt for UTS or CSU as they are highly practical, have strong reputations for being among the best communications schools around and both offer internships. They're also flexible enough that alternative specialisations are still more than possible.

Regarding internships, they will not be guaranteed after your degree - you have to find them yourself. However some degrees will have the option to undertake an internship as a subject during the degree. Of the combined law/journalism degrees listed, only the UTS one has the option of an internship subject (to my knowledge).
 

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bustinjustin said:
A great way into the profession would be to do a generalist degree (that is, Arts, or Economic Social Sciences at Usyd), before proceeding onto Journalism at UTS or CSU, which you can do by distance education at the latter. This would also give you a postgrad qualification, possibly a masters.
My GF would plan to do masters anyway, so would BA Journo @ UTS + Masters Journo @ UTS be any better?
 

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My GF would plan to do masters anyway, so would BA Journo @ UTS + Masters Journo @ UTS be any better?
I think what Bustin Justin is suggesting is that it would be better to do a BA or BEcon etc which follows up on various interests that your girlfriend holds and then do a Masters in Journalism to learn how to apply journalistic skills to those areas.

I don't know if I've said this earlier, but there are a number of electives in the UTS BA Communications (Journalism) degree that you could spend in a wide range of areas at UTS or other sydney based unis. If you wished to, you could also pick up a degree concurrently at MQ to get the wider experience that way, or you could do a DipArts or DipSocSci with USYD combined with the first degree at UTS. That would probably serve the same(or similar) effect as doing a general BA and then a Masters in Journo.
 

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Doesn't UTS have the best Communications Degrees? That's why my friends chose them.

One of 'em was originally 99.something and she didn't get that, but the UAI cutoff for that year then got reduced to 92.something and she got in. Lucky ****. lawl.
 

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Question???

help??
I'm currently an o6'er, and I figured I should really start thinking about my uni preferences for next year.
I just have a few questions to ask about journalism in particular.

...My questions might seem pretty stupid, and please forgive me if they are.......
but recently I've (for some reason) grown a strong interest to journalism, and am really thinking about pursuing a career within this field.

Understanding that this profession is highly competitive, what are the job prospects of journalism?... (Like, say, as opposed to a career in law.. ) What kind of "life" should I expect to face if pursuing a career within this field?
and also, is there a slight chance of disadvantage when it comes to race, especially in Australia?

I'm sorry these questions do seem quite broad.
I have done some research into journalism, and it seems that the more I research about it, the more appealing it becomes... But I was just wondering what a typical journalist student would say...
 

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Rofl. A career in law will start out at the bottom, filing papers and pushing trolleys and boring receptionist/office monkey stuff like that.

As a journalist, it'll be very similar in terms of working with big companies, and to get these chances you'll need to really a) work your ass off trying to get experience/writing/freelancing/portfolio stuff b) know people in the industry

The kind of life of either really depends on what you make it, there'll be the comfortable low-energy/risk kind of jobs and the other ones which demand quite a bit more from you.

Race? Theres a discrimination act in australia, which forbids discrimination based on race/gender/religion/age etc.

If you want to be a journalist, start writing and building a portfolio and working on your skills as a writer. Try to get published anywhere and everywhere.
 

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Its not exactly a pathway into journalism as a direct course. Its more of a palatable mix of the subjects under the SCMP Division (Society, Culture, Media and Philosophy).

It is however a popular course for those looking to do a B Arts but with more of a focus in that SCMP division rather than Humanities.
 

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