AsyLum said:
This is a result of students, not UTS.
I understand what you're saying, but that's not the point I was making.
I was saying how Uni of Syd and UTS have uais for journo ranging from 95.05 to Usyd's 98.45 - and base successful student admissions solely on the rank one gets through the uai.
This is compared to CSU, where uai is considered 'n/a' - students are successful on the basis of an essay or questionnaire.
Therefore, it's up to the universities on how they admit students in. UTS and usyd think being a brain is the best way to become a journalist. Csu, on the otherhand, realises that there is more to the profession than just being 'smart'. The personality of a person is instrumental to the career of journalism, for instance, hence why charles sturt requires an essay question to be completed - the question is always involving the student to tell the reader about themselves.
Here's some other things people have said in other threads about csu journalism:
User: just_me
"You're right the uni doesnt publish a uai for the course, purely because there is alot more to Journalism than being smart. Like intelligence usually helps but getting 99 doesnt mean you have what it takes to be a Journalist.
CSU also gives you opportunities that other unis dont have. In second year if your doing broadcast (which yes I am doing to answer your question) you have the opportunity to apply for a 15 month PAID cadetship with National Radio News which is a national radio bulletin service. Basically you work in the industry, learn how to work in a professional environment and leave uni with 15 months national producing and presenting experience. I would have to say if your serious about Journalism and getting a job when you finish then you would have to try and get one of the positions.
I am currently a second year journo student at CSU and im prob biased too but i would say that CSU beats UTS by a long shot. The main reason for this is the practical work you get to do and the variety of subjects. They are not all arts and literature subjects they are actually relevant some are studying the audiences your write or broadcast to and some are more drama based to help you develop your communication skills and just to simply have some fun.
In second year if you choose to do broadcast you get to as part of your assessment take part in producing and broadcasting actual news to a real audience in the local newsroom and also have the amazing opportunity at becomming a cadet journalist with the national radio newsroom whcih is located on campus. This means you work in the newsroom as a paid journalist and get 15 months of amazing training and practical experience you would just not get anywhere else.
Another reason is alot of the lecturers have worked as journalists and frequently get professional journalists to come and give guest lectures about different aspects of journlaism.
And finally CSU has the most amazing social life. If you live in a dorm then you make heaps of instant friends and pretty much have the time of your life!!
hope this helps. If you have any questions just ask and i will hopefully be able to answer them for you."
As fpr UTS/CSU. I honestly think the Sydney Unis try to use their Sydney Status to boost their course. I am not doubting that they are a good option but as Loagin said, CSU is very focused on producing functional and efficent JOURNALISTS not talented and creative writers.
As for Broadcast, there is one thing that I would say out does ANY other University in Australia. National Radio News is the Australian Community Broadcasting Association's News Bulletin Service and Broadcasts hourly news Bulletins to 92 Community Stations with about 1 million listeners a week. At CSU Second year Broadcast Journalism Students have the option to apply for a cadetship position with the service (which yes is paid). I have been working with NRN for a year now and the amount of experience and expertise I have gained is absolutely priceless. Now where else are you going to be able to study, finishing your degree with 15 months industry experience, and contacts within the industry and a general knowledge and talent base that no one else can match.
We also have a fully functioning Television Studio with a control room and studio cameras. This allows students to film, edit, and produce industry length news bulletins for TV which is something alo of other unis just dont have access to."
User: Logain
"Hey there, I'm a 2nd year print journo, and as just_me said, UAI plays a very little role. But this doesn't mean the course is easy. Only a few of the 100 or so in my year are going on to becoming journalists. They need to know that you have strong grammar and reporting skills, and are willing to do extra work when it comes to experience at newspapers and TV stations etc."
User: slm86
"CSU is also the only university in Australia that has been invited to have students present at the Pacific Area Newspaper Publishers Association annual conference in Melbourne next Monday. This is the first time this has happened anywhere in the world, having journalism students speak to 400 newspaper editors."
User: MattSamson
"And just a point of reference (and I am not saying TEN NEWS is the be all and end all), but just take a look at the News Presenters page of TEN NEWS:
News Presenters - TEN News - Seriously TEN
What university dominates it? I did not see mention of UTS anywhere, but saw a lot of mention of Charles Sturt University.
A lot of CSU Graduates work for the ABC and SBS, as well as Sky News, Channel 9 and Channel 7.
Do a little bit of investigation and you'll see CSU Journalism graduates in high positions within the industry."
