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    Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    Well, since I can access a number of people through this section of Bored of studies, I was wondering what are the advantages/disadvantages in your opinion of doing B Eduction at any uni.

    i.e either sydney/unsw/uws/maqauire or uts....

    what makes a person want to do education after 13 years.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Adv: people do it for the passion, not for the cash --> also longer breaks

    Dis: shit pay, if your're greedy and want $ --> dont go anywhere near teaching

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    I know for a fact that its 50K + as starting, how much monthly wage is everyone expecting.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    fuck why would you want to relive the HSC over and over again?

    or maybe you take pleasure in seeing yr12 students stress..


    lol :P

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    in doing a ba/bach teach at UNE hopefully

    i love school and learning, all of it. so, thats pretty much why Im going down that avenue

    I no longer want words to be smooth as watercolours. I want to write
    less pretty and more
    brusque, like all the boys I know can. All the boys I know can and I am
    certain I could too if only they would show me

    something more than finger fucking (their nails are
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by sonyaleeisapixi
    i love school and learning, all of it. so, thats pretty much why Im going down that avenue
    shit you're weird.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by erm
    shit you're weird.
    hahaha. thanks, i get that alot

    "so, whatre your plans after the hsc?"
    "india, travelling, 4 years of school and then another 50 years of school"
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    but, yea. I seriously love learning and knowledge and sharing knowledge and school and school environment and communities.

    I no longer want words to be smooth as watercolours. I want to write
    less pretty and more
    brusque, like all the boys I know can. All the boys I know can and I am
    certain I could too if only they would show me

    something more than finger fucking (their nails are
    bitten to the
    quick,
    hardened by practise)

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by conics2008
    I'm sorry mother fucker, simple mistake at least answer the stupid question you cunt.

    Go fuck your mum in the eye hole.
    u crack me up conics ahaha.

    Anyway teaching:
    Adv: Fun?, Less hours, more holidays, don't get sacked even if u suck, good job security

    Dis: Not fulfilling (to some), not challenging, low pay, not a lot of opportunities

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by conics2008
    I'm sorry mother fucker, simple mistake at least answer the stupid question you cunt.

    Go fuck your mum in the eye hole.
    that made me lol so i'll actually answer the thread:

    Pros: A ton of holidays, also the pay is also really* good for things like School Cert and HSC marking.
    This might sound cliched but you you can really make a difference as a teacher so i'm guessing there's a lot of job satisfaction. There's also good room for career, you could become a principal etc.

    Cons: They complain about pay alot so the work : pay ratio probably isn't that great, however remember that you will get big breaks. There are a lot of other degrees that will get you more money faster.

    peace dude

    *edited for spelling. yes i know, ironic lol.
    Last edited by Rageeb; 1 Nov 2008 at 9:05 PM.


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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageeb
    that made me lol so i'll actually answer the thread:

    Pros: A ton of holidays, also the pay is also raelly good for things like School Cert and HSC marking.
    This might sound cliched but you you can really make a difference as a teacher so i'm guessing there's a lot of job satisfaction. There's also good room for career, you could become a principal etc.

    Cons: They complain about pay alot so the work : pay ratio probably isn't that great, however remember that you will get big breaks. There are a lot of other degrees that will get you more money faster.

    peace dude
    lol, now you feel bad don't you conics?
    One pro nobody has mentioned I think is that it had very good job security. You can never be out of work because they aaaaaalways need teachers.
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Eduction doesn't have anything to do with abduction does it?

    In addition to what everyone else said, it must be repetitive teaching the same things year after year... i guess this is more concerning if you're a maths or science teacher than an english or history(?) teacher.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by lawrence.h
    lol, now you feel bad don't you conics?
    One pro nobody has mentioned I think is that it had very good job security. You can never be out of work because they aaaaaalways need teachers.
    i mentioneed it ):

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    have you been involved in coaching or something that involves teaching on a smaller scale?
    i feel that's a good indicator on your teaching ability/interest and enthusiasm for it.

    why do you want to do it?
    if its cause you want an easy course and a guaranteed job, you probably won't have that much fun.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by conics2008
    I'm sorry mother fucker, simple mistake at least answer the stupid question you cunt.

    Go fuck your mum in the eye hole.
    Ahaha, conics. Oh you.

    Who the fuck knows; perhaps there really are people who are drawn to the supposed appeal that is helping future generations, or something.

    +Good job security.
    +Half-decent union.
    -Pay. Teachers are always bitching annually, I'm sure, about this issue.
    -Status. In communities, especially Asian ones, you'll be seen as a fucking disgrace, molesting - I mean teaching, of course - these tiresome twats and other delightful dorks.
    -Hours. Even if you do a shit job and fuck over your students, you'll still be working in a dead-end job for years; but, be thankful you even have the job due to the fact that the need for education will ever be there.
    -Variety. Ohohoho, 'coz education is totally dynamic, with a fucking fixed syllabus (though only rewritten every so couple years), fucking fixed hours, fucking fixed job, fucking fixed everything - pardon the hyperbole). FUCK the REPETITION.
    -You age, your students don't. Each year, you'll have a new batch of dweebs to teach shit about.

    IMO, it boils down to passion for 'advantages'; which is, in truth more a necessity or a reason as to why you'd even consider the BEdu course, rather than an advantage.
    Cons, as it seems to me, definitely outweigh the pros, (if any).

    If it's not clear by now, I haven't really considered this to any great depth, and do not contemplate on ever teaching, ever.
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    Advantages- You might find mentoring kids interesting plus if you are interested in a particular subject such as maths you get to do it everyday, plus if you want to be a pedo you get to spend all day with kids

    Disadvantages- You have to do a few years at shit schools to gets points on that ponints scheme thingy to get to a good school. Plus the government scholarships also take you to shit schools to start off, like one its going to do to my friend
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageeb
    that made me lol so i'll actually answer the thread:

    Pros: A ton of holidays, also the pay is also really* good for things like School Cert and HSC marking.
    Except if you're doing SC/HSC marking, then you're a high school teacher, and they lose a heap of their holidays and weekends for things like lesson plans, marking, and that sort of thing. Plus, lots of teachers run extra classes outside normal hours for their HSC students to make sure that they get through the syllabus and have time for revision. You don't get paid for any of that stuff. The only real plus side to the hours and holidays is that it means you'll be home for a lot of the time that any school aged children you have are home.
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    Advantages: Very rewarding if you are willing to make the effort; you can go almost anywhere in the world with teaching - so against popular opinion the opportunities in teaching are not as small as you might think; decent pay without being amazing - and its only going to increase in the coming years; there will always be a need for the teaching and learning industry - if you enjoy it you will never be without a job; decent breaks.

    Disadvantages: Can be very exhausting.

    Unlike PrettyOddProlix I do intend on teaching which is probably quite obvious in my response.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Eduction.

    I think the best possible advice is that if you want to be a teacher, avoid B Education completely and do a proper undergrad degree (Maths, Physics, Biology etc) and then a DipEd. Believe me, you want to have as little to do as you can with the pure brain damage that are most university schools of education.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    Unfortunately, the 1 year dip ed at most unis seems to be a dying breed.

    However, dvse's major argument is correct - you want to waste as little time in (any) school of ed as possible.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    DipEds will be non-existant within a few years

    so it'll be a choice between 4 years, doing education and a reduced amount of real subjects

    or 3 years of real subjects and 2 years of education

    the latter seems preferable because you have the option of doing something else using your real degree

    for all the science i've done, i won't have a 'real' science degree at the end of 4 years (even though it's called BTeaching/BScience), seems a waste

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    What uni did you study at?

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    newcastle

    the undergrad teaching programs consist of 32 subjects over 4 years, 18 education to 14 science, arts etc.

    they're called BTeaching/BSomethingElse, but it's a program where neither degree exists independently

    i'm rorting it a bit by changing my major repeatedly so i'll have done 20 science subjects

    but it still wouldn't let me do something like honours or research in science, because it's not a real science degree
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iruka
    Unfortunately, the 1 year dip ed at most unis seems to be a dying breed.

    However, dvse's major argument is correct - you want to waste as little time in (any) school of ed as possible.

    I wasn't aware of this. It sounds pretty appalling - let's stop those who are most likely to actually understand a subject from even thinking about being a teacher! Do you have any more info?
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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    That is totally screwed up - and its not even a Dawkins University.

    I just finished BSc/BEd at UNSW - I did about 50% more maths than required for a maths major in the BSc and could have done honours as well, if I'd wanted to. However, they have since screwed up the double degree at UNSW, by adding about 12 UOC more of education nonsense. So I wouldn't really recommend it to anybody.

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    Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of doing B Education.

    Quote Originally Posted by dvse
    I wasn't aware of this. It sounds pretty appalling - let's stop those who are most likely to actually understand a subject from even thinking about being a teacher! Do you have any more info?
    Yes, that is about what happens...

    Seeing what they are doing to undergraduate teacher training, I am quite glad that I got my qualification when I did. Over the time that I have been at UNSW, they have decreased the number of UOC in maths required for the double degree (from 72 to 60) and just last year they increased the education part of the course from 78 to 90 UOC.

    The dip ed at UNSW is taking enrolments this year (I think), but it is under review.

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