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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    And well there you go, I've said what I have to say. You asked, and I answered.
    It's because you made a lot of assumptions and started commanding OP on what to do to the point that OP got confused.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by anomalousdecay View Post
    Elec eng is very broad and the skills are applicable in many areas of engineering and science.

    However, elec eng is completely different. If you want to avoid hardware, avoid comp eng. If you want to avoid circuits and hardware and more physical applications in real life, avoid elec. If you don't think you will find any interest in circuit design, avoid elec.

    In saying all this, having a solid understanding in the fundamentals of electronics and circuits is a very great skill and opens you up to many more possibilities in the future. My recommendation is the following. Understand what each program entails and find out if it is something that you consider interesting enough to possibly do in your future career.

    In terms of universities, it's best you look at other factors as well (campus life, campus geography, etc). UNSW elec has a lot of great equipment in laboratories (which I can imagine would be found at many universities, especially for elec eng) and the building will be renovated within the next few years. School of computing has a nice building and there is an abundance of computers available for students enrolled in comp courses (but I can imagine this may also be the case at other universities).

    Also, have a look at what interests you enough to think that you may want to make a career out of it.

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    I want to avoid Computer Engineering because I'm not interested in hardware.

    I am however interested in circuits and the electronics that's why I'm considering EE. Ideally, if I did choose EE I'd like to work in biomedical engineering or something to do with renewable energy (I know these two are very different). It's nice to hear that the building will be renovated.

    I haven't had any experience in these fields so I don't know what the workplace would look like for each. I'd like something technical but I don't want to be glued to a screen all day. I'd like to work with other people and I feel that EE would have more of this but at the same time CS is more flexible with work (I've heard others mention they get to work from home some days).

    I like that USYD will be closer to where I'll live but UNSW seems more modern and from what I can tell in some pictures I have from other students there is more natural light inside the building - they seem better lit. Also timetabling at UNSW > USYD.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    You'll learn a bit on hardware architectures in elec. Mainly RISC architecture.

    With elec, there's a lot more involved in that. If you really want to be involved in biomed or renewable, then it would be a decent idea to consider studying in those areas. UNSW offers dual programs with masters in biomed.

    If you study elec, you'll end up studying quite a few things in general. It will involve a lot of circuit theory, electronics design, basics of signal processing, control systems, electromagnetics, embedded systems, energy systems and could even learn about other stuff as well (depends on your electives in later years). What you learn in these is definitely applicable to renewable energy systems and biomedical equipment design, which can also lead you to a career in those fields, however you'll have to learn a lot of other stuff in elec in general which you also need to consider here. If you are certain that you want to go into renewable energy systems, then it may be worth looking into that. In the end, it's up to you.

    Also, elec is very heavy on maths, so expect to be applying mathematical skills throughout all of uni.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by anomalousdecay View Post
    You'll learn a bit on hardware architectures in elec. Mainly RISC architecture.

    With elec, there's a lot more involved in that. If you really want to be involved in biomed or renewable, then it would be a decent idea to consider studying in those areas. UNSW offers dual programs with masters in biomed.

    If you study elec, you'll end up studying quite a few things in general. It will involve a lot of circuit theory, electronics design, basics of signal processing, control systems, electromagnetics, embedded systems, energy systems and could even learn about other stuff as well (depends on your electives in later years). What you learn in these is definitely applicable to renewable energy systems and biomedical equipment design, which can also lead you to a career in those fields, however you'll have to learn a lot of other stuff in elec in general which you also need to consider here. If you are certain that you want to go into renewable energy systems, then it may be worth looking into that. In the end, it's up to you.

    Also, elec is very heavy on maths, so expect to be applying mathematical skills throughout all of uni.
    I've considered the Masters in Biomedical Engineering but I could do that after graduating. I really want to combine my undergrad with Commerce or Arts because of other interests.
    As for Renewable Energy Engineering, the program seems to be a lot of everything but I feel I'd narrow my employment prospects down too much.

    How much study in general (on a weekly basis outside of class) would it take for someone who is reasonably alright at maths? I'm not a math whiz but I am able to grasp everything eventually (just takes me a bit longer than someone who aced 4u). Would CS be less intense?

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Yeah that is ok. Just keep thinking about it. Having the mindset of going into anything related to a certain area is ok and you may even consider other related areas later on.

    If you've done 4U then it should be ok. If you only did 3U and end up at UNSW for elec, then I'd recommend putting a considerable amount of effort in first year maths courses to strengthen your abilities in maths.

    It's subjective to the individual, how they study, how efficient they are, what they do, other commitments outside of study, etc. It's something you'll have to learn to manage yourself. For a typical student getting above 75 in everything, probably keeping up to date with lab and tutorial work and getting those marks, and possibly even keeping up to date with content learnt in lectures and cramming about 10 hours a day the 2 to 3 week lead up to exams may suffice.

    The type of maths involves in comp sci is quite different. I'm not sure how intense it is overall for comp sci but based off the first computing courses at UNSW (COMP1917, COMP1927), critical thinking skills are great, which can also be applied from skills developed through maths, but the maths content itself is not relevant at all.

    ps sorry if my reply seems a bit all over the place and incomprehensible.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    There is less maths in CS, although you might still have to do discrete mathematics later on.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by anomalousdecay View Post

    ps sorry if my reply seems a bit all over the place and incomprehensible.
    Your reply is great. Thanks!

    I haven't done 4u maths.
    That seems like a reasonable amount of study. Regardless of what I choose, keeping up to date with everything is most effective.
    Do EE students get to do a lot of practical work while still at uni?

    You've definitely given me a lot to think about.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Silly Sausage View Post
    There is less maths in CS, although you might still have to do discrete mathematics later on.
    Good to know. I suppose one extra maths course isn't too bad if I decide on CS. Still less than EE.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    For pracs generally you'll get assigned computer lab sessions for some subjects throughout the semester for both. Not sure if you'll get some hands on circuits and stuff in CS though.

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Silly Sausage View Post
    For pracs generally you'll get assigned computer lab sessions for some subjects throughout the semester for both. Not sure if you'll get some hands on circuits and stuff in CS though.
    Does having knowledge of C or Java in advance put you in a better position that others when doing the pracs or is it not a good idea to study this before starting the degree? I read somewhere that learning programming languages without understanding the theory behind it all can make you pick up bad habits? Not sure if this is true or not..

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by clementinez View Post
    Does having knowledge of C or Java in advance put you in a better position that others when doing the pracs or is it not a good idea to study this before starting the degree? I read somewhere that learning programming languages without understanding the theory behind it all can make you pick up bad habits? Not sure if this is true or not..
    Yes, you should take the time to reach yourself programming before starting as it will help you greatly. You will struggle if you have never programmed before.

    There is no theory behind programming, you kind of just start doing and solve small challenges / do projects.

    But a good teaching resource is a must for not developing bad habits.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by turntaker View Post
    Yes, you should take the time to reach yourself programming before starting as it will help you greatly. You will struggle if you have never programmed before.

    There is no theory behind programming, you kind of just start doing and solve small challenges / do projects.

    But a good teaching resource is a must for not developing bad habits.
    Any recommendations?

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by anomalousdecay View Post
    It's because you made a lot of assumptions and started commanding OP on what to do to the point that OP got confused.
    I really only came close to commanding her not to do seng. Maybe if OP outright said, "yeah I like the idea of being forced to do my thesis, those workshops sound awesome, I like a strict program vs a flexible one", then I wouldn't have assumed she didn't know anything about CS vs SENG.

    And I don't think you can blame me when just the other day there was someone picking SENG over CS JUST because of the name lol.

    And I also don't know how hard it is to look at the UNSW handbook. There are many questions in this thread that could be easily answered by OP by looking at the handbook page. I am commanding you OP to look at it:

    http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/unde...LECAH3707.html

    http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/unde...2013/3978.html
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    I really only came close to commanding her not to do seng. Maybe if OP outright said, "yeah I like the idea of being forced to do my thesis, those workshops sound awesome, I like a strict program vs a flexible one", then I wouldn't have assumed she didn't know anything about CS vs SENG.

    And I don't think you can blame me when just the other day there was someone picking SENG over CS JUST because of the name lol.

    And I also don't know how hard it is to look at the UNSW handbook. There are many questions in this thread that could be easily answered by OP by looking at the handbook page. I am commanding you OP to look at it:

    http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/unde...LECAH3707.html

    http://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/unde...2013/3978.html
    It's not relevant whether or not I prefer to be "forced" to do the workshops/thesis, I asked whether they were beneficial to a career in software development. My preferences are irrelevant to which program is objectively better. I will do whatever program is better regarded or, in this case (since they seem to be equally well regarded), the one I feel more inclined to do.

    So you are making a new assumption that everyone choosing SENG must be doing it for the name based on one person you know choosing it for the name?

    Seriously, what part of I know the handbook inside out is beyond you? Believe it or not this is not my first time applying to uni so I know all about the purpose and existence of a handbook.
    What a handbook will NOT tell you is are the workshops worth the time they take, are the facilities up to date, what the student experience is like and whether I should take EE or SE... I want to hear from PEOPLE not a handbook. That is what forums are for.

    Also, if in the future you plan on "commanding" others to look at handbook pages you may want to make sure that you post the current version and not one from 2013...

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by clementinez View Post
    It's not relevant whether or not I prefer to be "forced" to do the workshops/thesis, I asked whether they were beneficial to a career in software development. My preferences are irrelevant to which program is objectively better. I will do whatever program is better regarded or, in this case (since they seem to be equally well regarded), the one I feel more inclined to do.

    So you are making a new assumption that everyone choosing SENG must be doing it for the name based on one person you know choosing it for the name?

    Seriously, what part of I know the handbook inside out is beyond you? Believe it or not this is not my first time applying to uni so I know all about the purpose and existence of a handbook.
    What a handbook will NOT tell you is are the workshops worth the time they take, are the facilities up to date, what the student experience is like and whether I should take EE or SE... I want to hear from PEOPLE not a handbook. That is what forums are for.

    Also, if in the future you plan on "commanding" others to look at handbook pages you may want to make sure that you post the current version and not one from 2013...
    Yeah you keep saying that, yet still keep asking questions easily answered by the handbook. e.g. "should I learn C or Java", maybe check your subjects and see if they use C or Java... then yes!, or "would it be less intense [math in cs vs ee]", maybe check what math subjects there are in each course...

    Maybe don't ask "Is Software Engineering a better option than Computer Science?" if you don't want an answer. Not sure why you're being so rude, all I did was answer that question.

    And instead of having a fit, just simply ask "are the workshops worth it?", instead of such a broad question.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by Flop21 View Post
    Yeah you keep saying that, yet still keep asking questions easily answered by the handbook. e.g. "should I learn C or Java", maybe check your subjects and see if they use C or Java... then yes!, or "would it be less intense [math in cs vs ee]", maybe check what math subjects there are in each course...

    Maybe don't ask "Is Software Engineering a better option than Computer Science?" if you don't want an answer. Not sure why you're being so rude, all I did was answer that question.

    And instead of having a fit, just simply ask "are the workshops worth it?", instead of such a broad question.
    Yes they use these but they are BEGINNERS courses. It doesn't say anywhere in the handbook that you're expected to be proficient in coding languages.

    I know there is MORE maths in EE than CS but is it more intense? The question can't be answered by looking at the handbook because it doesn't just hand out a textbook where I can see what type of math is in every year of the course? Why is it so bad that I'm asking people doing the course to shed some light on this?

    I'm not having a fit and I'm not being rude, you're being very judgmental of everything I write and you are accusing me of doing no research and not reading the handbook. Why does it matter that I posted a broad question? I did so purposely so I'd get a broader range of responses and not just one answer to one question. I don't understand why this is bothering you so much, it's not your thread..
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    If you read the handbook, EE and CS share the same first year maths.
    EE has 2nd year maths, that is the only difference
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by turntaker View Post
    If you read the handbook, EE and CS share the same first year maths.
    EE has 2nd year maths, that is the only difference
    I've been told that in CS it's preferable to do discrete maths which is 2nd yr if I recall correctly.
    Actually I think it's required in SENG. I'l have to check, I'm mixing them up now.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    MATH1081 Discrete Mathematics (6 UOC)
    MATH2400 Finite Mathematics (3 UOC)
    MATH2859 Prob, Stats and Information (3 UOC) are required in SENG, apart from 1A and 1B

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by clementinez View Post
    I've been told that in CS it's preferable to do discrete maths which is 2nd yr if I recall correctly.
    Discrete maths is a core subject and must be completed along with 2 other first year maths subjects. All 3 are usually completed first year if you do CS.

    read under Year 1
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    The reason I asked where the maths is more intense is because I have a friend in CS that keeps complaining about the maths that it's killing him and he's been mentioning discrete maths a lot..

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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by clementinez View Post
    The reason I asked where the maths is more intense is because I have a friend in CS that keeps complaining about the maths that it's killing him and he's been mentioning discrete maths a lot..
    Discrete is considered to be hard.
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by clementinez View Post
    The reason I asked where the maths is more intense is because I have a friend in CS that keeps complaining about the maths that it's killing him and he's been mentioning discrete maths a lot..
    This is just because of what turntaker said.

    Discrete maths is not necessarily an easy course. The type of thinking differs to a lot of maths that you are used to, and also different to MATH1131/41


    But so what. You can be good at discrete because you can handle that way of thinking and suck at normal maths as well. That varies for person to person
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    Re: Electrical Engineering or Software Engineering/Computer Science

    Quote Originally Posted by leehuan View Post
    This is just because of what turntaker said.

    Discrete maths is not necessarily an easy course. The type of thinking differs to a lot of maths that you are used to, and also different to MATH1131/41


    But so what. You can be good at discrete because you can handle that way of thinking and suck at normal maths as well. That varies for person to person
    got it

    Thanks for the input

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