October Round offers + STAT test Question.

[iknight89]

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Hey guys, with a overall mark of 145 would it be possible that i could get into a course that requires about 75uai at Macqauire? Just a rough idea is enough, this wait is hell ><

Thanks.

[Skitzzor]

I called up MQ and asked them what the STAT score cut-off would be for "Bachelor of Psychology (Honors) and the woman said "I'm not sure of the conversion process, let me transfer you to someone who'd known" so she did and then I asked the same question to this guy and he said they wouldn't know until main round offers are released on the 20th of January. When this woman mentioned converting it made me think, do they conver it into an ATAR or is she talking about something else? What do you guys think?

[iknight89]

Pretty sure they would convert it to ATAR

[moc2009]

STAT scores are not converted to ATAR/UAI scores simply because you are going into a different group of applicants, so it is irrelevant. As you is not competing against people going to Uni from High School.

You can’t give people who are doing an aptitude test (STAT) the same score/result system as people doing 2 years of study in different subjects (HSC).

STAT is for people to use as another entry, so you go into a specific pool. The majority of Unis will accept you on your STAT score. Not convert it to an ATAR.

The whole point of the ATAR/UAI is to rank/score people who complete Year 12, so STAT can’t even fit into it.

Unis in WA do a conversion method for the STAT to ATAR, as some Unis there DO convert it.

Here is their STAT score converter (so you can have a play and get an idea to put your mind at ease):

TISC Online STAT CONVERTER.

But again, nearly all Unis will look at your STAT Score, not convert it, not look at the percentile, as you are a completely different type of applicant. Even contact the STAT test people (ACER) and they will tell you that the STAT cannot be correctly converted as you are trying to convert two completely different systems into the same result.

I got into Uni on my STAT and it wasn’t converted to an ATAR, when I called Unis some people at the Unis thought it gets converted, but when you talk to someone else who knows what they are doing then you usually find out it doesn’t get converted. Majority of Unis (if not all) will not convert your STAT.

[Skitzzor]

Thanks for all that Moc. Sorry to bother you but I have one final question. How much of my UAI do you think MQ would take into account? Mine was 60.3 (yeah, i've never actually been more ashamed of myself.) I put my name, school and year I did the HSC on my UAC application (couldn't find my original student number) Could having such a shitty UAI hurt my chances? I only ask because I saw the following on MQ's STAT page.


How will the decision be made on whether an offer to study at Macquarie is given?

STAT results will be included in a selection process which also considers your ATAR and any additional study.

[moc2009]

Originally Posted by Skitzzor

How will the decision be made on whether an offer to study at Macquarie is given?

STAT results will be included in a selection process which also considers your ATAR and any additional study.

It sounds like the will just combine it (which can only be a good thing). You got a decent STAT score, and that alone would get you in, now you have a UAI to add to it too. It can only make it better.

I had no UAI at all and still got in on STAT alone.

Trust me, you’ll be fine. It’s only the wait that’s the horrible part.

[Skitzzor]

I gave MQ another call this morning and asked them basically wether or not people attempting to gain entry into a course via alternative entry were put with applicants attempting to gain entry via a UAI/ATAR and he put me on hold for about 3 minutes and then came back and told me that they actually do and that the STAT score is indeed converted to an ATAR, he also said it was a 1:1 ratio. Which is bad for me because that puts me just under the cut-off for Bachelor of Arts - Psychology. I really hope I'm wrong though Moc. If you're sure you're right please give MQ a call and see what you can find out and let me know. I hate this waiting game.

[moc2009]

Well that’s not good if their doing it that way. If they are then I think it’s only fair they tell you their conversion method, or are they taking your STAT percentile as your ATAR? 1:1, is that what you mean, are they saying if you get a STAT percentile of 75% then they are going to make your ATAR 75%?

If so, that’s not really fair as even the ACER website (people who conduct the STAT) say that the Percentile is not the same as a UAI/ATAR as they are different ranks and tests.

I’m not sure how MQ will go about it, look at it or convert it, as they have only started using STAT this year (they never accepted it before). All the other Unis that take it take it as a STAT score (except some of the WA ones).

Maybe MQ is going down the line of the WA ones, but for them you need to do both STAT's (MC and WE) which makes it a bit fairer when coverting to an ATAR. Did you do both? Does MQ need both?

[Skitzzor]

I only did the multiple choice, and yeah your example of the 75% is what they're doing I think. My percentile rank 82.8 meaning in their eyes I have an ATAR of 82.8 I believe. It's an odd situation.

[moc2009]

Well hopefully they will look at it differently and similar to other unis, otherwise it’s not fair.

In saying that, just come to ANU – you’ll walk in with that score (but you need the Written English STAT aswel), we are a Go8 University and have a great Psychology department, and you can do either the Bachelor of Science Psychology or Bachelor of Arts Psychology.

As a first year you are also guaranteed campus accommodation.

But either way, go for the one you want, and have some back up preferences.
At the end of the day, I still think you’ll get into the one you’re aiming for.

[Skitzzor]

I might look into that one, thanks mate.

Also, I just got off the phone with UAC and the woman I was speaking to seemed to know all about the STAT test, she didnt put me on hold to ask someone else, she seemed really knowledgable, and when I pitched the idea of a STAT mark being converted 1:1 for an ATAR she said "it's astonishing someone would give you information that is so wrong" and then proceeded to explain that even though I am competing against people with UAI/ATAR's, I'm also competing against people with other degrees etc for spots and that a STAT test score can't be converted to an ATAR. "A STAT test looks at your ability to look at things critically, where as the HSC looks at your understanding of a body of knowledge, and is tested over 2 years, as opposed to 2 hours, they are two completely seperate things and aren't interchangable" or something along those lines.

God I hope she was the right one.

[moc2009]

YAY, that sounds more like it.

Maybe because MQ have only started it this year is the reason they are giving out wrong info and don’t have a clue.

So, hoping that the UAC is right, and that it’s going to looked at like the majority of other Universities, then you should be fine.

Good luck and hope you get your preferences, you only have 2 – 3 months to wait. It’s horrible.

[Skitzzor]

Yeah hopefully, all I can do is sit and wait, I can't get the same answer from any two places. The whole thing makes no sense to me anymore, some people saying one thing others saying another. One thing though, if the woman at UAC was correct when she said uni's dont put aside places for people doing alternate entry schemes and I'm competing against those with an ATAR/UAI, those with degrees etc, it's made me think there has to be some sort of conversion method that puts all candidates from all areas on the one line, or they'd just be picking and choosing. I just don't know anymore.