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    Red face Best uni for secondary teaching??

    I'm considering doing a secondary teaching degree (social science and humanities), to become maybe an english teacher? Or like legal studies, society and culture??

    What would be the best uni to do this course at? I'm looking at Macquarie, UNSW and USYD at the moment. Preferably a uni in NSW.

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Be aware you will need two distinct teaching areas to satisfy your degree requirements for a 4 year teaching degree these days. You can have Social Science and English, or History and English, or Ancient History and Science, History and Economics under Arts even but you can't have two majors in the same area without at least a minor in something else.
    The only way around this is to pick up a double major in two particular areas, you will have to talk to the faculty coordinator to see whether this is possible with your electives.

    It's a government level issue, we can't have a master teacher in Australia, must be a jack of all trades. It's also a career thing, best to have two specific fields of focus so as you can work across more than one set of classes once you're out there in the real world as a teacher.

    As to the best university... It's the same answer I give to any prospective future university student. The best university is the one you get accepted into. Once you have your piece of paper and your registered to teach it doesn't really matter where your degree comes from.

    Everyone thinks they're a special snowflake if they get accepted into UNSW, UMelb, UQ, ANU whatever. This is especially irrelevant if all you plan to do is teach in Australia. The way you become a special snowflake in the teaching gig is if you decide to go private and work in a Grammar school. I don't want to bring any more politics into it, but that's where all the people go if they think they're a special snowflake.
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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Also looking to study Secondary, particularly majoring in English, minoring in History & Religion. However, the best university in Australia and also the University I am looking at going to is ACU, Australian Catholic University. This does not just allow you to teach in public schools, but allows you to teach in Catholic schools. Here is the link for the top 10 Education Uni's: https://universityreviews.com.au/aus...her-education/

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Bechara View Post
    Also looking to study Secondary, particularly majoring in English, minoring in History & Religion. However, the best university in Australia and also the University I am looking at going to is ACU, Australian Catholic University. This does not just allow you to teach in public schools, but allows you to teach in Catholic schools. Here is the link for the top 10 Education Uni's: https://universityreviews.com.au/aus...her-education/
    thanks for the link!
    i've looked at the ACU website and correct me if im wrong but i dont see a secondary education degree?

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Last edited by Danny Bechara; 31 Aug 2017 at 11:14 PM.

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Macquarie +1 Very helpful lecturers who really care for you. Usyd was so bad
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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Bechara View Post
    Also looking to study Secondary, particularly majoring in English, minoring in History & Religion. However, the best university in Australia and also the University I am looking at going to is ACU, Australian Catholic University. This does not just allow you to teach in public schools, but allows you to teach in Catholic schools. Here is the link for the top 10 Education Uni's: https://universityreviews.com.au/aus...her-education/
    Anybody can teach in a private school if they want to teach in a private school. It's a separate application process to the board that runs catholic and independent schools in your state. It doesn't matter where your degree comes from. It does help if you have some kind of proven background with your faith and that you take the whole faith thing seriously. It may also help if you have "a mate" that works inside the catholic school system that can give you a good word.

    I never taught private on principle. Firstly, I don't want to have to sit through mass. Secondly, the compulsory religious classes that come with private school life don't agree with me. Thirdly, I believe in equality on principle which means not spending public money on private schools. But each person has their own views on faith and this will be one of the determining factors for each applicant once they've finished their degree.

    It really doesn't matter where your degree comes from so long as its an approved education degree. If you want to go and study religion specifically for teaching it in schools then ACU might be your gig. There is a university up the road called the University of the Sunshine Coast which has a really well recognised education program these days.

    It doesn't matter though where your degree comes from. It used to be QUT for education a long while ago in Queensland. These days there is that little difference in it it really does not matter. That is, unless you want to become a specialist religious teacher in which case ACU might be your gig. This is because not all universities will offer the nescessary coursework to have the nescessary major/minor in that area.

    Do be aware if you do decide to study religion at university it will REALLY limit your degree value if you do decide that the whole teaching thing is not for you. You need to think about what your fall back idea is if the teaching thing doesn't work for you. That's fine if you want to become an academic in that particular area, or if you want to become a church minister, but it's not really a useful major/minor to have otherwise.

    That's not meant to belittle people who want to study religion at university, but you really have to weigh the full consequences up with the decision about how seriously you take your faith, and what will happen if the first option does not weigh up the way you thought it might.

    I really wouldn't put value in university rankings especially not for newer universities in particular, they're skewed for a myriad of reasons. In terms of teaching in Australia, it does not matter where your degree comes from so long as it is an approved education course. I am not aware of any university in Australia that offers a 3 year (undergraduate) or 1 year (post graduate) teaching degree any longer that are not approved.

    The only reason why university rankings would matter is if you plan to teach overseas at some point in your career. You will have an equal footing regardless of where your degree comes from otherwise.
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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by Roumelio View Post
    Anybody can teach in a private school if they want to teach in a private school. It's a separate application process to the board that runs catholic and independent schools in your state. It doesn't matter where your degree comes from. It does help if you have some kind of proven background with your faith and that you take the whole faith thing seriously. It may also help if you have "a mate" that works inside the catholic school system that can give you a good word.

    I never taught private on principle. Firstly, I don't want to have to sit through mass. Secondly, the compulsory religious classes that come with private school life don't agree with me. Thirdly, I believe in equality on principle which means not spending public money on private schools. But each person has their own views on faith and this will be one of the determining factors for each applicant once they've finished their degree.

    It really doesn't matter where your degree comes from so long as its an approved education degree. If you want to go and study religion specifically for teaching it in schools then ACU might be your gig. There is a university up the road called the University of the Sunshine Coast which has a really well recognised education program these days.

    It doesn't matter though where your degree comes from. It used to be QUT for education a long while ago in Queensland. These days there is that little difference in it it really does not matter. That is, unless you want to become a specialist religious teacher in which case ACU might be your gig. This is because not all universities will offer the nescessary coursework to have the nescessary major/minor in that area.

    Do be aware if you do decide to study religion at university it will REALLY limit your degree value if you do decide that the whole teaching thing is not for you. You need to think about what your fall back idea is if the teaching thing doesn't work for you. That's fine if you want to become an academic in that particular area, or if you want to become a church minister, but it's not really a useful major/minor to have otherwise.

    That's not meant to belittle people who want to study religion at university, but you really have to weigh the full consequences up with the decision about how seriously you take your faith, and what will happen if the first option does not weigh up the way you thought it might.

    I really wouldn't put value in university rankings especially not for newer universities in particular, they're skewed for a myriad of reasons. In terms of teaching in Australia, it does not matter where your degree comes from so long as it is an approved education course. I am not aware of any university in Australia that offers a 3 year (undergraduate) or 1 year (post graduate) teaching degree any longer that are not approved.

    The only reason why university rankings would matter is if you plan to teach overseas at some point in your career. You will have an equal footing regardless of where your degree comes from otherwise.
    if i did want to teach overseas, would i have to study anything extra?

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by rubbing View Post
    Macquarie +1 Very helpful lecturers who really care for you. Usyd was so bad
    what didn't you like about usyd?

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by janani2556 View Post
    if i did want to teach overseas, would i have to study anything extra?
    Not in the short term. You don't need to have any specific qualifications to go on exchange. You will need 2 or 3 years experience as a bare minimum though to really stand a good chance of being recruited though. There are recruitment fairs all the time to teach in UK, China, Japan, Dubai, UAE, USA, etc and recruitment agencies will come out all the time to make you look special, but you're not. Just like any jobs fair unless you're the top 1% you probably won't be directly recruited. If you do decide you like the place, and want to move more permanently, however you would need to do the equivalent accreditation. This would involve meeting the standards directly to be registered as a teacher in that country. this may or may no require further training.

    For example, most continental European teachers have a masters equivalent degree. We are only just catching up on that matter now with 4 year teaching degrees. The Northern European teaching model is the model that is in favor at the moment (be more like Finland) with regard to teaching standards and outcomes. At the same time we're not being paid accordingly, or respected enough by the public to get to those standards. So honestly? I don't know how well we're actually going about achieving that.

    The majority of teachers are still annoyed about implementing the massive failure that is standardised testing and "league tables" through NAPLAN and the Australian Curriculum. All of this leads to the 3 to 4 year turnover rate of fully qualified teachers into other professions.
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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by janani2556 View Post
    if i did want to teach overseas, would i have to study anything extra?
    You dont start teaching till you are in third year. Many people could not determine if teaching was right for them.( controlling classes etc)

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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    This is true and I don't understand. You put the cart before the horse, people get through 3 years of an education and get a distinction average (great academic with a mind like a magnet). Then they go out in the community after 3 years for their practicum, and realise that they can't teach. The model is broken.

    We need to go back to the days where teaching was an apprenticeship model. Your master student would be identified and start teaching from day dot. Instead we have all these people today that are academically gifted but can't catch a trick when it comes to actually teaching a class, or maintaining behavior, and they are so meek they lose control of the classroom and the curriculum altogether.
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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by janani2556 View Post
    if i did want to teach overseas, would i have to study anything extra?
    depends which country, ive taught overseas without finishing my degree and the people ive met there didnt even have an education degree but were still teaching without a problem



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    Re: Best uni for secondary teaching??

    Quote Originally Posted by Roumelio View Post
    This is true and I don't understand. You put the cart before the horse, people get through 3 years of an education and get a distinction average (great academic with a mind like a magnet). Then they go out in the community after 3 years for their practicum, and realise that they can't teach. The model is broken.

    We need to go back to the days where teaching was an apprenticeship model. Your master student would be identified and start teaching from day dot. Instead we have all these people today that are academically gifted but can't catch a trick when it comes to actually teaching a class, or maintaining behavior, and they are so meek they lose control of the classroom and the curriculum altogether.
    Definitely. You cannot teach a class without control.

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