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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    Isn't there a certain criteria you must meet in order to become a mod Katusmi? (e.g. your contributions to this forum, your infraction history, why you want to become a mod, etc)

    BTW I forgot to mention (I'm talking mainly to you Simorgh) but in ATAR notes, if you get IP banned, you account(s) get permanently banned as well, so if you try to go on another computer under another IP and login into your original account, they'll IP ban atar notes from that computer as well, so yeah if you wanna come back to ATAR notes, then do it under another username and a brand new IP
    There's no specific criteria to apply.

    An ideal moderator would have those traits yet a willingness to really pitch in and contribute is all that's required for an application.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

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    There's no specific criteria to apply.

    An ideal moderator would have those traits yet a willingness to really pitch in and contribute is all that's required for an application.
    not what I was told when I applied

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Going to safely assume that BOS wouldn't want their flow of visits to go to a competitor (not sure if they get revenue from advertisements and what not?). Just a guess though, I use to see 1 - 2 advertisements on BOS but now I look for them, the header is gone.

    Can say that AN has more activity in the help department from what I remember because they actually have people who purposefully look to help people with questions. But BOS community is more fun IMO (also need to insert some bias because I saw BOS first and stuck around to see a lot of faces etc)
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by WrittenLoveLetters View Post
    Going to safely assume that BOS wouldn't want their flow of visits to go to a competitor (not sure if they get revenue from advertisements and what not?). Just a guess though, I use to see 1 - 2 advertisements on BOS but now I look for them, the header is gone.

    Can say that AN has more activity in the help department from what I remember because they actually have people who purposefully look to help people with questions. But BOS community is more fun IMO (also need to insert some bias because I saw BOS first and stuck around to see a lot of faces etc)
    Felt the need to revive this after 1 month but yes ATAR notes has more activity in the help department because there moderators there feel that it is their duty to help others even though they are under no obligation to do so. As opposed to BOS they help in multiple subjects (I mean one person helping others in 4-5 different subjects) however on BOS, it's usually that one subject (or 2 depending on the circumstance) that individuals help out with

    But yes, there are heaps of helpful articles which the moderators at ATAR notes has created as opposed to BOS (we still do have heaps of "helpful articles")

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Btw I know this is a bit irrelevant to the thread, but could we please start a moderator nomination thing where in a thread we nominate certain users to be moderators and why

    E.g. I nominate this user because he has made many contributions such as __________________ and has helped many people in return in choosing their desired subjects for high school, etc

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Our selection of moderators does not work on a nomination mechanism, it works on the individual willing to submit an application to be considered. Unfortunately nomination is not going to be very effective if the individual nominated is unwilling to take on the responsibility in the long term, and they can only demonstrate that by personally taking the effort to fill in the relevant application form. We don't mere select moderators because they are smart and help out around the forum, they need to be passionate about staying around and also have good ideas to reform our site as well.

    Also in response to your insight that ATAR Notes moderators seems to be a lot more willing to help than our moderators, it might do well to consider that all of the moderators were willing to give a lot back to the community even if their contributions are declining, it is unrealistic to expect a few moderators to always answer endless questions when those who have been helped/graduated don't step up to the mark and help out as well and some of us have stayed many years on as moderator, even if our occupation is not education related, do you get that sort of extremely long time commitment with all the moderators on ATAR notes?, I don't know whether you experienced this-but if you constantly help others over a significant period of time, you get drained out and become no good to anybody. I have had that experience as well, and as a result, I tend not to answer repetitive questions that have been asked many times before on the forum-when people could also have taken a bit more effort to search for previous answers, it is unrealistic and unfair to even suggest we are not doing our best and not pouring our hearts and soul to this community.

    It is unfair to suggest that moderators should give help as a matter of people's right as users of this forum. We are not super humans and I think it is fair to say all the moderators is doing the very best they could given the circumstance, the very fact we are still on this website and still helping around despite our inability to change it is a testament to our commitment to our role. If our generation could all learn to be a bit more grateful, and take less things for granted, then we will all live better for it.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrye View Post
    Also in response to your insight that ATAR Notes moderators seems to be a lot more willing to help than our moderators, it might do well to consider that all of the moderators were willing to give a lot back to the community even if their contributions are declining, it is unrealistic to expect a few moderators to always answer endless questions when those who have been helped/graduated don't step up to the mark and help out as well and some of us have stayed many years on as moderator, even if our occupation is not education related, do you get that sort of extremely long time commitment with all the moderators on ATAR notes?, I don't know whether you experienced this-but if you constantly help others over a significant period of time, you get drained out and become no good to anybody. I have had that experience as well, and as a result, I tend not to answer repetitive questions that have been asked many times before on the forum-when people could also have taken a bit more effort to search for previous answers, it is unrealistic and unfair to even suggest we are not doing our best and not pouring our hearts and soul to this community.

    It is unfair to suggest that moderators should give help as a matter of people's right as users of this forum. We are not super humans and I think it is fair to say all the moderators is doing the very best they could given the circumstance, the very fact we are still on this website and still helping around despite our inability to change it is a testament to our commitment to our role. If our generation could all learn to be a bit more grateful, and take less things for granted, then we will all live better for it.
    ATAR notes spread to NSW in 2016 (I think) and I think the way they got moderators was through applying and making sure those candidates were actually willing to commit a lot of time in helping ATAR notes users out. (according to their site and their moderator nomination process)

    And yes there are people on BOS who do step up to give back (or they just help others out because they feel better in doing so). As for the experience with the moderators on ATAR notes, since there aren't many threads out there (due to not being in NSW for a long period of time) people can easily look through the threads (which would be like 2-3 pages worth) to look at certain comments

    Also they have a "2U maths help thread", "physics help thread", "free AOS essay marking thread", "English Advanced Q&A thread", etc which I guess makes it easier for people to search up questions. Also ATAR notes tries to make other people help out each other (I can't remember how they do it) and encourages people in doing so

    I know for a fact one of the moderators there, spends so much time there and doesn't even sleep till like 3am in the morning because he is actually that bothered to help people out on ATAR notes

    I dont ever recall having an experience of that sort so I cant really have a say

    And I never said it is unfair for the moderators on BOS to not help others, I mean not only have you helped heaps of people yourself but so have other moderators who've created certain "guides" and such. All I did was just agreed with another user who said "ATAR notes has better help department" and said that even though at ATAR notes they are under no obligation to help others, they feel that it's their duty to help them, and when I said as opposed to BOS I meant subject wise as in on ATAR notes they help out with all the subjects they did wheras on BOS they only help out on maybe 1-2 subjects (I mean most moderators on BOS seem to have a focus on help on maybe 1-2 subjects as opposed to like 5, like I mean you help out with english and Chemistry right?)

    I think maybe I wasnt being clear enough on my post. But when I said they have heaps of helpful articles, I meant for a small forum like ATAR notes, they have a heap of helpful articles mainly because the moderators there are contributing heaps and again feel that it is their job despite being under no obligation wheras in BOS there are heaps of articles and whatever due to the generosity of such moderators such as you, emoilgam, Trebla, Katsumi, etc and even some normal users do create things that will benefit others in return (such as Queenroot, Envlam and Swagmeister) which I guess only like 1-3 people on ATAR notes do, but if you compared the ratio of people who help on ATAR notes and their general population in the NSW sector and compare it to BOS, ratio wise I think ATAR notes has more help

    But yes I am sure everyone is still grateful for all the moderator's work here on BOS because you and all the other mods have helped hundreds of users free of charge, and I'm not saying help on the forum, I mean other means as well such as how Carrotsticks makes free BOS trials and how you ran those english and chemistry seminars in the past, I mean I'm sure that's just as much as what ATAR notes offers in terms of free events outside the online forum

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by InteGrand View Post
    I guess BOS's popularity has declined over the years? What's the reason for this?
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    Have a look at this

    Wow, that is a lot of online users (on ATAR Notes). It does seem to be their highest ever though so far. Do you think it'll continue to increase? They do cater for other states as well though, so maybe that boosts their usage?
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by InteGrand View Post
    Wow, that is a lot of online users (on ATAR Notes). It does seem to be their highest ever though so far. Do you think it'll continue to increase? They do cater for other states as well though, so may end that boosts their usage?
    I don't use it because it has such a bad format compared to this site and also there's so many subforums I can't be bothered finding which one is the correct one, unlike BOS which is pretty simple...
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    I know for a fact one of the moderators there, spends so much time there and doesn't even sleep till like 3am in the morning because he is actually that bothered to help people out on ATAR notes
    Back a few years ago, there were a few Mods and users in this category. I remember a time when I was marking essays, answering questions and doing ATAR estimates in high volumes. The fact is though, Im nearly 25 and far removed from the HSC and even uni. My role as a Moderator is limited to career/employment support and behind the scenes Mod work. Id love nothing more than to see people with this type of dedication come onto BoS and become Mods. That being said, to me, the heart of any sustainable forum is users, not Moderators. We are here to facilitate, not create content.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by InteGrand View Post
    Wow, that is a lot of online users (on ATAR Notes). It does seem to be their highest ever though so far. Do you think it'll continue to increase? They do cater for other states as well though, so may end that boosts their usage?
    Given that last year was the first year of catering to HSC students, their lectures were beyond successful. If you look at the HSC section, look at the amount of essays and such posted there, ridiculous. Their threads (e.g. English advanced Q&A thread) have like 80000 views. And yes I'm sure it will increase, most likely to other states as well, they just need to find the right people who are actually bothered spending more than half their time helping out there
    Quote Originally Posted by pikachu975 View Post
    I don't use it because it has such a bad format compared to this site and also there's so many subforums I can't be bothered finding which one is the correct one, unlike BOS which is pretty simple...
    One thing I like about ATAR notes better than BOS is that it has a "4U maths help thread" as opposed to so many threads out there. I guess it's better to have a "4U maths help thread" because it encourages people to look through the thread and probably encourage more people to help since everything's in that one place as opposed to BOS where it's scattered but I know for a fact BOS doesnt allow this because it will defeat the purpose of certain sections of the forum (such as the maths section). I guess if people don't have questions related to the thread, they could make extra threads regarding advice, exam technique, time and stress management, etc in those section(e.g. English advanced section)

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    ATAR notes spread to NSW in 2016 (I think) and I think the way they got moderators was through applying and making sure those candidates were actually willing to commit a lot of time in helping ATAR notes users out. (according to their site and their moderator nomination process)
    The function of the moderators on ATAR Notes is clearly different to the function of the moderators on BoS. You aren't comparing the same 'roles'.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    And yes there are people on BOS who do step up to give back (or they just help others out because they feel better in doing so).
    And these people do not expect or even want to be 'rewarded' with some nomination to become a moderator. They are helping because they can. What difference would a coloured username make? None at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    I know for a fact one of the moderators there, spends so much time there and doesn't even sleep till like 3am in the morning because he is actually that bothered to help people out on ATAR notes
    There are many ordinary BoS members who spend countless hours helping out high school and university students, who answer personal messages, who are called upon from other members to help in a particular case. BoS has many members who are "actually bothered" to help without any obligations or reward. They don't need to be a "moderator", so it's completely irrelevant that the person you are referring to is a moderator on ATAR Notes.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    I think maybe I wasnt being clear enough on my post. But when I said they have heaps of helpful articles, I meant for a small forum like ATAR notes, they have a heap of helpful articles mainly because the moderators there are contributing heaps and again feel that it is their job despite being under no obligation wheras in BOS there are heaps of articles and whatever due to the generosity of such moderators such as you, emoilgam, Trebla, Katsumi, etc and even some normal users do create things that will benefit others in return (such as Queenroot, Envlam and Swagmeister) which I guess only like 1-3 people on ATAR notes do, but if you compared the ratio of people who help on ATAR notes and their general population in the NSW sector and compare it to BOS, ratio wise I think ATAR notes has more help
    That's a ridiculous metric for determining which forum is more helpful. There are hundreds of thousands of questions being answered here, why do 'articles' need to be the metric for helpfulness? I've answered questions on scaling/aligning probably over 500 times to 500 different people directly and thousands of people indirectly. Do I need to write an article in order for my help to be counted? Does InteGrand need to write an article as well, just so his contributions in mathematics can be counted? I mean come on now, 'contributions' are more than writing articles. Personalised responses or answers can be much more powerful to the community than individual articles giving relatively generic advice.

    This forum is not driven by those who write articles, but rather by the individuals who ask questions and those who answer them.

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    I don't see the point in comparing both forums. Both are helpful to the student community in their respective ways so why not use both resources to your advantage and optimise your results. I will give a shitty anecdote bit I guess it works..If you are an athlete running long distances and you are given one Gatorade bottle and one Powerade bottle, you don't want to waste your time comparing their effectiveness you would drink them both to optimise your performance...same goes with BOS and Atar Notes.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Just to reinterate what I said before, we definitely welcome Moderator Applications from our users. Personally (not speaking on behalf of the Mod Team), Id love to see some of our younger users (2016ers, 2017ers) apply. If anyone is interested, feel free to shoot through an app - Im also happy to provide advice to anyone considering it.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    This is a democratic forum, we are not just going to randomly delete/lock threads just because you guys are discussing about a competitor website, rather as Enoilgam said, we are always on the look out for suitable moderators to join the team and work together to make the site better and more relevant to you guys <3

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

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    BoredofStudies is much better in terms of the forum itself; is much nicely structured; and apart from maybe some colour refreshes needed;
    is a lot easier and nicer than Atar.notes which is clunky; and has too many forums, and the layout of the forums on Atar.notes is actually quite confusing. To get to a forum in ATAR.NOTES, you have to go into the HSC > Maths Stuff > Maths; while here not only can you jump straight to the subject; it is a lot easier.

    So when it comes to navigating forums/the content generally tends to be better here; BoS is by far superior.

    Resources
    In terms of resources, most of the ones on Atar.notes are newer; not necessarily better quality; but they are certainly newer; and if you can get the hang of the format are fairly easy to download. However there is a lack of recent submissions of notes on BoredofStudies, and the sorting method isn't very useful here while on atar.notes there is an option to search which makes it easier; but the block format there is painful to navigate.

    But BoS has the edge on that Atar.notes really only does notes, it doesn't offer practice papers of any kind (if mods ask nicely maybe someway to get most of the stuff I have onto the bos website?); and the resources are generally easier to navigate to, with the exception of the lack of a search function.

    BoS needs to however improve the details of the resources given; and often the resources may be outdated. So that is one section that needs a revamp. One site that does well with resources is AoPs.

    Formatting
    While the look of Atar.notes is newer, it does have it downsides as mentioned by Paradoxica.
    But the navigation bar is much easier to use than the navigation bar here, especially when on boredofstudies.org; not to mention the discontinuity between pages on boredofstudies.org and community.boredofstudies.org particular with the header navigation links (which I think needs a refresh/modernised).

    The structure of most of the pages on boredofstudies.org is difficult to navigate but then again so is Atar.notes notes section also.

    In fact some of the older views of resources page from earlier years look nicer and simpler with more detail than the current resources page.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by D94 View Post
    This forum is not driven by those who write articles, but rather by the individuals who ask questions and those who answer them.
    Don't articles help answer FAQs though

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    Don't articles help answer FAQs though
    Yes, but the forum should not just be driven by those individual people who make those articles.

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    Have a look at this

    Atar.notes login stats may not be accurate, they keep you logged in for ages, so hence the number of users that appear active, in terms of actual logged in users may be higher due to this.

    Also I noted later screenshot taken when Atar.notes had max capacity, so really hard to compare.

    For instance numbers today at 14:03pm

    BOS: 570 users online. 39 members and 531 guests
    > Just the Secondary Education subforum: 252 users browsing this forum. (8 members & 244 guests)


    AN: 326 Guests, 33 Users (3 Hidden)

    Note: 2 minutes later, and both forums had about 10-15 extra users.

    Also the account logged into on the right, if your account, it seems to be a darker blue?? could be just the red-scrawl in the way.
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    i am just curious to know but why would people make an account on a certain forum but not post in it?

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    i am just curious to know but why would people make an account on a certain forum but not post in it?
    Maybe they just want notes or something.

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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeseeyou View Post
    Have a look at this

    Was this image from ATAR notes? I think i've seen it before...but wow if they really did post that on their forum, then they do seem quite arrogant in how they believe they are more superior than this forum

    i mean thankfully the mods on bos arent arrogant

    also look, bos doesnt have sponsorships of some sort and we're successful wheras atar notes has, i mean without atar notes sponsorships, they wouldnt be the way they are right now

    why doesnt bos start sponsorships?
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    Re: ATAR Notes vs Bored of Studies

    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    Was this image from ATAR notes? I think i've seen it before...but wow if they really did post that on their forum, then they do seem quite arrogant in how they believe they are more superior than this forum
    I would much rather be a moderator on this forum than AN.
    To quote one of the admins who did their HSC in the same year as me*:

    "ATAR Notes was virtually non-existent in NSW when I did my HSC, and indeed, there was NOTHING like it around. Really, it still seems too good to be true after being a part of the site for the last two years, and seeing how far the NSW community has come in such a short time is absolutely incredulous."

    *only figured that out because they state ranked, and was able to determine what year.

    Personally, I never really got into AN, their notes section is good but just as hard to navigate as BoS resources section; not to mention they only had notes (apart from my own contribution).

    I am not sure why we would consider scholarships. Unlike AN, which offers paid services, this is less and less the case the older BoS has gotten.
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