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    Re: Discussion Thread for Atar Notes & other forums

    To be honest, I don't think mods are expected to answer HSC questions. At least back in 2014, queries were generally answered by the people in the same year, year above and the year above that and mods facilitate the discussion (by creating e.g. marathons) or regulating the discussion so it doesn't derail too much.

    Perhaps your views have been affected by the role of mods in AN? (who I believe, have financial incentives to help - unlike here, where mods are completely selfless in answering questions and no one should be indignant that they are not helping even if they could).

    Also, I don't think there is a responsibility for uni students to help out after they are done with BoS - uni is busy and people move on from high school. Would have thought the idea is that questions are asked and answered by Yr12s (since it helps them the most), as well as any other uni students who are kind enough to take time out of their schedule to help.

    Also: you'll be surprised how much you forget after HSC. Myself included, I have generally forgot a significant portion of HSC content and to help answer questions would require me to flick out the textbook or my notes and relearn.
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    Re: Discussion Thread for Atar Notes & other forums

    Quote Originally Posted by iStudent View Post
    To be honest, I don't think mods are expected to answer HSC questions. At least back in 2014, queries were generally answered by the people in the same year, year above and the year above that and mods facilitate the discussion (by creating e.g. marathons) or regulating the discussion so it doesn't derail too much.

    Perhaps your views have been affected by the role of mods in AN? (who I believe, have financial incentives to help - unlike here, where mods are completely selfless in answering questions and no one should be indignant that they are not helping even if they could).

    Also, I don't think there is a responsibility for uni students to help out after they are done with BoS - uni is busy and people move on from high school. Would have thought the idea is that questions are asked and answered by Yr12s (since it helps them the most), as well as any other uni students who are kind enough to take time out of their schedule to help.

    Also: you'll be surprised how much you forget after HSC. Myself included, I have generally forgot a significant portion of HSC content and to help answer questions would require me to flick out the textbook or my notes and relearn.
    if you look at it now, not many uni students do seem to help out with the hsc questions

    yeah kind of

    i do agree but im sure they wouldve used this forum in high school for academic help and now that they went to uni they wouldnt seem to keen on helping people out (so they dont seem to keen on getting this forum moving). but not all years 12s would be way ahead in terms of content so they probably wouldnt be able to help if they were helping other students who are ahead in their learning

    if the new syllabus came into effect, would it be worth learning new content in order to help out all the hsc students? (especially if you aren't doing the stuff at uni e.g. say you're doing Arts/Law at uni and you were interested in helping the HSC students with maths, would it be worth learning the new maths curriculum just to help out all the HSC students)

    i seriously think bos has become dead and boring now. we need to somehow promote bos again so it becomes active again

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    seriously we need to start promoting bos again

    idk how bos was so active in the past (i assume it's people helping each other and people joining to make the benefits out of it) but if it was the exact same as it was in the past (in terms of help), id reckon it would be as active today

    but one rival site has taken a number of bos users
    Why are so many BOS users seemingly transitioning to this "one rival site" (no prizes for guessing which site it is, I think)? Is it because they are finding they can't get their questions answered on BOS but can on the rival site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InteGrand View Post
    Why are so many BOS users seemingly transitioning to this "one rival site" (no prizes for guessing which site it is, I think)? Is it because they are finding they can't get their questions answered on BOS but can on the rival site?
    Is this rival site atar notes

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    Quote Originally Posted by InteGrand View Post
    Why are so many BOS users seemingly transitioning to this "one rival site" (no prizes for guessing which site it is, I think)? Is it because they are finding they can't get their questions answered on BOS but can on the rival site?
    Free essay marking maybe because you need 15 posts there to get it
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    Is this rival site atar notes
    This kid defs deserves a prize
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathin View Post
    This kid defs deserves a prize
    What are you talking about?
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    Free essay marking maybe because you need 15 posts there to get it
    this is probably the biggest factor in my opinion

    everyone wants free essay marking where they get detailed feedback, not the sort of feedback the teacher at your school gives you (and most essay markers whether b6 students or hsc markers would charge $20 per essay, i mean if someone wanted to write 100 essays for practice throughout the year look how much they need to fork from their parents pocket)

    having 15 posts to get an essay marked makes the forum run hence they need that sort of thing to make their forum more active

    i seriously think bos shoudve had an essay marking service years ago. ive come across old threads for people asking for feedback on their english stuff and if there was a thread for essay marking at a certain "post count cost" then probably people this forum would be more active

    although a number of mods dont have the time to do this (due to uni and work commitments) i think it's best to get someone outside of bos to do this to get the community active again by essay marking

    also a number of questions here are unanswered discouraging users to post, so they'd think it's best to go to another site and post there

    i guess "free notes" and their "free lectures" also get more people on that site as opposed to here

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    oh yeah their facebook page is much more active than the bos facebook page. the bos facebook page hasnt been updated in a year wheras the an one gets updated every now and then (once a day i reckon)

    there are rumours of another hsc forum coming in a few months made by the owners of the acehsc website but dont know if it's gonna come out for real..we'll have to wait and see...

    my prediction of bos in the future: bos will be extinct for good and atar notes will be the new forum every hsc student will use. atar notes gets money through sponsorships wheras bos doesnt. they have free hsc lectures and they sell products (again other ways to promote atar notes). bos doesnt have any of that (besides free hsc maths trials). they already have a vce tutoring company providing a low fee (and will probably expand to hsc to help promote atar notes even further and due to interest of hsc students) and allowing people to rewatch class lessons as a form of revision (i think matrix or talent 100 provides rewatching class videos). they've evolved year by year wheras bos hasnt seemed to move, in fact it has gotten worse from what i heard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathin View Post
    This kid defs deserves a prize
    What prize do you think I like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    this is probably the biggest factor in my opinion

    everyone wants free essay marking where they get detailed feedback, not the sort of feedback the teacher at your school gives you (and most essay markers whether b6 students or hsc markers would charge $20 per essay, i mean if someone wanted to write 100 essays for practice throughout the year look how much they need to fork from their parents pocket)

    having 15 posts to get an essay marked makes the forum run hence they need that sort of thing to make their forum more active

    i seriously think bos shoudve had an essay marking service years ago. ive come across old threads for people asking for feedback on their english stuff and if there was a thread for essay marking at a certain "post count cost" then probably people this forum would be more active

    although a number of mods dont have the time to do this (due to uni and work commitments) i think it's best to get someone outside of bos to do this to get the community active again by essay marking

    also a number of questions here are unanswered discouraging users to post, so they'd think it's best to go to another site and post there

    i guess "free notes" and their "free lectures" also get more people on that site as opposed to here
    One mini point I want to make about this is firstly, it is not physically possible for someone to write 100 essays for practice (that's like 25 essays per module-which suggest they are either studying very inefficiently or don't know what they are doing), and equate to 2 essays for every single week of the year... which again suggest they are not studying efficiently and effectively. On a less literal interpretation, someone who writes that many essays will not be seeking an online tutor unless they have travel or other issues, and is most likely going to get an in person tutor, and also $2000 assuming $20 per essay equates to average cost of English tutoring over the same period anyways, so it is not that much of a difference. Lastly, although it could be great to have more generous people to do things for free, the reality is people need to survive and they need money to do that, and time becomes more valuable the less you have of it.

    However, having said that, regardless of where BOS heads in the future, I definitely think your viewpoints and all these discussions of pros, cons and possibilities are productive in at least evaluating why BOS has changed to the way it is and maybe some ways to improve it for the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrye View Post
    One mini point I want to make about this is firstly, it is not physically possible for someone to write 100 essays for practice (that's like 25 essays per module-which suggest they are either studying very inefficiently or don't know what they are doing), and equate to 2 essays for every single week of the year... which again suggest they are not studying efficiently and effectively. On a less literal interpretation, someone who writes that many essays will not be seeking an online tutor unless they have travel or other issues, and is most likely going to get an in person tutor, and also $2000 assuming $20 per essay equates to average cost of English tutoring over the same period anyways, so it is not that much of a difference. Lastly, although it could be great to have more generous people to do things for free, the reality is people need to survive and they need money to do that, and time becomes more valuable the less you have of it.

    However, having said that, regardless of where BOS heads in the future, I definitely think your viewpoints and all these discussions of pros, cons and possibilities are productive in at least evaluating why BOS has changed to the way it is and maybe some ways to improve it for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boredsatan View Post
    How many posts do you need to get an essay marked on BoS?
    We don't have a policy regarding that, and anyways, a post count is arbitrary because arguably unfair if someone just spams forum with 'posts' and then be entitled to essay marking... but throwing aside concern of potential abuse of system, we simply don't have anyone that has time to do free essay marking in the mod-team unless a forum member volunteers to do this service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boredsatan View Post
    How many posts do you need to get an essay marked on BoS?
    This forum isn't a tutoring or essay marking centre it's for people doing HSC to talk/discuss their time at school and to seek peer help with homework and questions they might have. It also has countless resources and anyone can seek help here which I think is the main thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pikachu975 View Post
    This forum isn't a tutoring or essay marking centre it's for people doing HSC to talk/discuss their time at school and to seek peer help with homework and questions they might have. It also has countless resources and anyone can seek help here which I think is the main thing.
    essay marking isnt considered "tutoring" of some sort-it's more about helping others and giving them the best advice to get people in the right direction

    i do not think atar notes has the right to say they are offering "free hsc tutoring" when in reality all their doing is offering free hsc help (through an online forum platform). there is a clear difference between tutoring someone and helping them (although tutoring does involve helping most of the time)

    integrand doesn't offer "free hsc tutoring" on behalf of the bos community. he helps them. i also dont think your school teachers offer "free tutoring" to certain hsc students either

    if AN can say they provide "free hsc tutoring" why cant BOS? they offer similar services to their users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrye View Post
    Lastly, although it could be great to have more generous people to do things for free, the reality is people need to survive and they need money to do that, and time becomes more valuable the less you have of it.

    However, having said that, regardless of where BOS heads in the future, I definitely think your viewpoints and all these discussions of pros, cons and possibilities are productive in at least evaluating why BOS has changed to the way it is and maybe some ways to improve it for the better.
    i do agree, people do not get employed for nothing in return (i forgot to mention but the mods on AN do this as part of their employment, they actually dont mark for free) but as i mentioned mods on bos do not do this as they are busy with work and uni commitments

    that's why i personally think it's best to recruit someone outside of this forum to voluntarily mark essays for others (and it should be someone working full time because when you work full time, you are more inclined to think you are earning enough money that you wouldnt need to work another job for money) and this candidate should be one who is still inclined to the hsc and enjoys helping others (for nothing in return)

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    i do agree, people do not get employed for nothing in return (i forgot to mention but the mods on AN do this as part of their employment, they actually dont mark for free) but as i mentioned mods on bos do not do this as they are busy with work and uni commitments

    that's why i personally think it's best to recruit someone outside of this forum to voluntarily mark essays for others (and it should be someone working full time because when you work full time, you are more inclined to think you are earning enough money that you wouldnt need to work another job for money) and this candidate should be one who is still inclined to the hsc and enjoys helping others (for nothing in return)
    I don't think someone wants to work for 10 hours at a job then come home and mark like 5 essays for no price especially since they can take up to 30mins-1hour
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    Re: Discussion Thread for Atar Notes & other forums

    Quote Originally Posted by donkily View Post
    i do agree, people do not get employed for nothing in return (i forgot to mention but the mods on AN do this as part of their employment, they actually dont mark for free) but as i mentioned mods on bos do not do this as they are busy with work and uni commitments

    that's why i personally think it's best to recruit someone outside of this forum to voluntarily mark essays for others (and it should be someone working full time because when you work full time, you are more inclined to think you are earning enough money that you wouldnt need to work another job for money) and this candidate should be one who is still inclined to the hsc and enjoys helping others (for nothing in return)
    Good luck in finding a person like that, let us know when you have found one and I am sure other forum members will be very grateful for their existence.
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    Donkily, I think you're being a bit idealistic with your suggestions.

    Sure, some people love to help - but even that comes with limits. Suggesting that people re-learn high school content that is completely useless to them - just for the sake of answering a few questions people MIGHT have, or having someone dedicate hours of their time marking essays for "free" is just unrealistic.

    I understand your sentiment, but gotta be realistic, you know? :P

    While having BoS active like it used to be is great and all, I feel like you have a misguided sense of entitlement - that HSC students deserve to have uni students who help the next cohort (for free). As it has been in the past, I feel like the onus is on the current Yr12s to make use of this site - to ask and answer their own questions - after all, this is a forum mostly for high schoolers not uni students!
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