Elite universities... :s

[jenecis]

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Originally Posted by SoAmazing

nah its not the early offer program. its for international students like you said. if your interested you should call the admission office. you just need to make it clear that you need a decision before their actual release because your offer in aus will lapse

Thanks for clearing that up. Wow, congrats on getting into Harvard btw. How much would it have cost you if you accepted the offer? My American cousin said their financial aid is pretty generous.

[SoAmazing]

Originally Posted by jenecis

Thanks for clearing that up. Wow, congrats on getting into Harvard btw. How much would it have cost you if you accepted the offer? My American cousin said their financial aid is pretty generous.

Financial aid is quite generous but it is also based partly on your parents income. it would cost approx 60k a year to study at harvard.

[pearling]

Originally Posted by SoAmazing

I got into harvard and my TER is as illustrated in my signature. In the interview they were actually very interested in my extra-curricula involvement so you may want to join a couple of clubs and societies at school. It is best you be in only 1 or 2 clubs but be really involved in them than to sign up for ten and never even participate. and you need to start to look for two teachers who can be your academic references. you may also want to think about the financial cost of studying in one of these universities. I got in but in the end had to give up my position because i simply cannot afford it. They have financial assistance but this can only partially cover tuition fees, there is the huge factor of living and accomodation to consider. Im actually working part time for the next couple years and saving up so that i can reapply when i finish my degree here. hopefully by then i can afford it, (or maybe if im lucky i can get a scholarship but those are very scarce in terms of supporting international students like ourselves)

Sorry for bumping this up after a few months. I was wondering isnt Harvard fully needblind to intl students and they meet full demonstrated need of accepted students regardless of nationality? I just wanted to clarify this since whenever harvard/yale/princeton does their info night they always stress that an ivy league edu is affordable since they're need blind and meet full aid. Also harvard now requires student from a family earning <US$60000 to contribute nothing to a Harvard education.

[extensorindicis]

If your an exceptional sports person in baseball or basketball and you play for major australian national teams and your able to then get signed up by american domestic teams mostly the junior teams pre-professional teams the contracts include education at harvard and the likes for free.

I know a person from our school that got into the chicago cubs(?) junior team and he got a schol for harvard.

Just stick to uni here lol why bother

[sikhman]

umm I am bothering because US unis > Australian unis...

[extensorindicis]

Yeah of course they're better but unless you intend to move over there and live and use that degree, an american degree vs usyd/umelb/anu is going to be pretty similiar here in terms of getting jobs i would think... more important would be grades/interview skills etc

your going to be making a net loss if you come back here to use the degree because 60k x 4 years (undergrad only btw US system requires mba [Bcom here] MD JD etc for professional degrees) all that would cost way too much in return for the woeful salaries paid here compared to abroad.

GL though i envy you.

EDIT: just as an example: physio in the States is 4 years under grad + 3 years for DPT with intensive exams and interviews in the end there isn't much of a gain when you can work there with Usyd's 4 year degree with registration exams taken over there. But physio might not be your thing just example of how you can just use what you do here over there in less time and cost.

[PwarYuex]

Look up thestudentroom or collegeconfidential.

[Ben1220]

Originally Posted by pearling

Sorry for bumping this up after a few months. I was wondering isnt Harvard fully needblind to intl students and they meet full demonstrated need of accepted students regardless of nationality? I just wanted to clarify this since whenever harvard/yale/princeton does their info night they always stress that an ivy league edu is affordable since they're need blind and meet full aid. Also harvard now requires student from a family earning <US$60000 to contribute nothing to a Harvard education.

I think that might only be for US students.

[katastrophe]

Originally Posted by Ben1220

I think that might only be for US students.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the financial aid package is irrespective of citizenship -- at least for Yale, Princeton and Harvard.

[PwarYuex]

Originally Posted by katastrophe

Actually, I'm pretty sure the financial aid package is irrespective of citizenship -- at least for Yale, Princeton and Harvard.

I'm not sure that's correct.

International students cannot apply for the same Financial Aid as US citizens, for the exact same reasons as HECS isn't available to non-AU citizens. You can apply for loans like anybody on Earth (http://www.iefa.org/), but you can't get the same government-subsidised Financial Aid.

Unless you're after a second BA (much more common here and the UK than in the US), International Students simply don't go to Ivy League unis for undergrad without a tonne of old money.

Yes, there are some scholarships available for international students at Ivy Leagues, but the normal financial aid is not available. See here: Yale University School of Art: Home That being said, I've only looked at Yale, Brown, and Penn as these are the only ILs offering my subjects. I highly doubt that the non-IL colleges offer more for international students, however I could be wrong about that. /shrug

Edit: I just looked at Harvard as well, and it looks the same. You can apply for some scholarships, grants, and aid, but not the kind of aid that most US citizens get.

[katastrophe]

Sorry, I probably should have been more detailed. When I looked into Yale, Harvard and Princeton for myself, I found that they organised financial aid packages regardless of citizenship (unlike some universities which only offer financial aid to American students, or have completely different processes for international students, and so on.)

You're quite right in saying that you can't apply for all scholarships, grants and aid, but my research gave me the impression that the Ivy Leagues tend to try and accommodate financially for all students who wish to attend, regardless of their citizenship.

[jenecis]

Originally Posted by katastrophe

Sorry, I probably should have been more detailed. When I looked into Yale, Harvard and Princeton for myself, I found that they organised financial aid packages regardless of citizenship (unlike some universities which only offer financial aid to American students, or have completely different processes for international students, and so on.)

You're quite right in saying that you can't apply for all scholarships, grants and aid, but my research gave me the impression that the Ivy Leagues tend to try and accommodate financially for all students who wish to attend, regardless of their citizenship.

Yeah, you're right. Yale and Harvard (though not quite sure about Princeton) DOES offer financial aid to all students regardless of citizenship.

However, when you apply, you need to state whether you plan on receiving financial aid (including how much your parents earn and are willing to contribute to your education) and they will take this into account when processing your application. This may negatively affect your chances, especially if you are an international student (Harvard's mission is to create America's future leaders after all) and not considered part of a 'disadvantaged' minority (ethnicity plays a part in the American selection process).

But once - or more appropriately, if - you get in, they will grant you financial aid according to your need.

[IAU001]

yep katastrophe is right. there are only 8 uni's that are needs-blind for intl. applicants:

1. MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Massachusetts
2. Harvard University in Massachusetts
3. Princeton University in New Jersey
4. Yale University in Connecticut
5. Williams College in Massachusetts
6. Middlebury College in Vermont
7. Dartmouth College in New Hampshire
8. Amherst College in Massachusetts