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    Question America or Australia?

    Hello,

    I am going to be finishing school soon, and have started looking towards different universities, with the hopes of doing an Engineering degree.

    I have bit of a crossroads, with 2 major options, both of which have their merits and I cannot decide the better one:
    I am considering applying to a high end university in America, most likely MIT, though possibly CalTech or Stanford. The other option is ofcourse staying here in Melbourne and applying for the University of Melbourne. I have compiled the following list of Pro's and Con's for both, and would like some advice:

    MIT:
    -Superior Education
    -More Freedom (Away from parents)

    Melbourne University:
    -Located at home
    -Friends and Family all here
    -Lower Drinking Age
    -Decent Education

    (Yes, the enjoyment and fun are also important to me)

    From this, it seems I am throwing up a better education up against home, friends, family and the like. After graduating, I plan on moving back here to Australia regardless of job offers or the country in which I studied.

    So my question is, how much better is the education at MIT, will it make a difference later in life, and is it worth leaving friends and family behind for it?

    For further education, I am planning on getting a Masters after my bachelor, no sure whether I would do it at MIT or in Melbourne Uni, even if I got my bachelor at MIT. I also see a PHD as a big possibility, though that will definitely happen back here at Melbourne Uni

    Many Thanks!

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    Re: America or Australia?

    MIT sounds overrated, but America should be good fun.

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    Re: America or Australia?

    Don't go to Murica' unless you want to get shot

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    Re: America or Australia?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalstar View Post
    MIT sounds overrated, but America should be good fun.
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    MIT overrated?

    lolwat...

    If you go to MIT, you will never ever need to line up for jobs. Jobs fucking line up for you. You will be amongst the best and BRIGHTEST in the world. You will feel at times inadequate since everyone there is UBER successful.

    here's a sample student who most likely won't get in (weak SAT scores)
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    That just shows how hard MIT is. I have a friend who went there for an MBA (he was engineer previously) because he was a fucking smart black guy. He pretty much got a job with intel instantly when he grad.

    If you get into MIT, fucking do it. Top engineering school in the world. Shit you would never even touch in Australia. The amount of resources and knowledge they have is insane.

    edit: also hope you have enough money to pay in case you don't have a scholarship. I doubt banks in aus are willing to shell out 40k a year for your uni degree in america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isildurrrr1 View Post
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    MIT overrated?

    lolwat...

    If you go to MIT, you will never ever need to line up for jobs. Jobs fucking line up for you. You will be amongst the best and BRIGHTEST in the world. You will feel at times inadequate since everyone there is UBER successful.

    here's a sample student who most likely won't get in (weak SAT scores)


    That just shows how hard MIT is. I have a friend who went there for an MBA (he was engineer previously) because he was a fucking smart black guy. He pretty much got a job with intel instantly when he grad.

    If you get into MIT, fucking do it. Top engineering school in the world. Shit you would never even touch in Australia. The amount of resources and knowledge they have is insane.

    edit: also hope you have enough money to pay in case you don't have a scholarship. I doubt banks in aus are willing to shell out 40k a year for your uni degree in america.
    Pretty much this guy.

    The only thing I disagree with is the "fucking do it" part which is somewhat situational - if you can afford it, by all means but if you can't, it's best to stay in Australia, do undergrad here and hope you can get a postgrad place somewhere nice.
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    Re: America or Australia?

    Quote Originally Posted by isildurrrr1 View Post
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    MIT overrated?

    lolwat...

    If you go to MIT, you will never ever need to line up for jobs. Jobs fucking line up for you. You will be amongst the best and BRIGHTEST in the world. You will feel at times inadequate since everyone there is UBER successful.

    here's a sample student who most likely won't get in (weak SAT scores)


    That just shows how hard MIT is. I have a friend who went there for an MBA (he was engineer previously) because he was a fucking smart black guy. He pretty much got a job with intel instantly when he grad.

    If you get into MIT, fucking do it. Top engineering school in the world. Shit you would never even touch in Australia. The amount of resources and knowledge they have is insane.

    edit: also hope you have enough money to pay in case you don't have a scholarship. I doubt banks in aus are willing to shell out 40k a year for your uni degree in america.
    that's a pretty weak SAT score, im not surprised he didnt get in. AP scores are pretty poor too, he's got a lot but they're not great at all. 2s and 3s is pretty much in an instant reject from MIT. oh also he's asian which makes a difference of like 100-200 SAT points (out of 2400) in the states

    but yea, biggest thing to consider is the money. it's 10k here, 40k a year there. Plus accommodation (10k a year).

    i applied to about 7 schools in the states, only got into one in the end (UCLA) most likely because of poor class ranks at a top 10 school. Usually the best schools in America don't give class ranks, they just give lots of As to people (which is fair enough cause those schools are quite smart) and also universities know of them already. So if OP wants any help then shoot me a PM and ill try to help out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pHyRe View Post
    that's a pretty weak SAT score, im not surprised he didnt get in. AP scores are pretty poor too, he's got a lot but they're not great at all. 2s and 3s is pretty much in an instant reject from MIT. oh also he's asian which makes a difference of like 100-200 SAT points (out of 2400) in the states

    but yea, biggest thing to consider is the money. it's 10k here, 40k a year there. Plus accommodation (10k a year).

    i applied to about 7 schools in the states, only got into one in the end (UCLA) most likely because of poor class ranks at a top 10 school. Usually the best schools in America don't give class ranks, they just give lots of As to people (which is fair enough cause those schools are quite smart) and also universities know of them already. So if OP wants any help then shoot me a PM and ill try to help out.
    That's one major flaw of US HS system, it's non-standardized to the point where its heavily reliant on SAT and AP scores (done by a private corporation) to determine quality of applicant. One exam doesn't mean everything and every tom dick and harry has a 4.0 GPA as well, hence the push for uber extracurriculars and top range marks and a sad story of their life.

    A degree from MIT is definitely worth the cost in my opinion. Come out of uni with at least a 80k per year job lined up for you. CSIRO would probably try and snatch you as well, not to mention all the top tier R&D firms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalstar View Post
    MIT sounds overrated, but America should be good fun.
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    Re: America or Australia?

    Have you already organised everything to go to the University? Because generally there are prerequisites, needs that must be met, specific conversations, SATs/ACTs that need to be sat and a requirement met, discussions about cost and pay, and much more.
    If you've already looked into all this then I would reckon to head overseas, you can just try and see if you like it before heading back here on a transfer!

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    Don't go to America . Too dangerous..... So many gun massacres
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdasdasd View Post
    Don't go to America . Too dangerous..... So many gun massacres
    Wtf have you actually been to America before? You realise a lot of things in the news are sensationalised right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumbleroar View Post
    Wtf have you actually been to America before? You realise a lot of things in the news are sensationalised right?
    Regardless of sensationalism.

    Gun massacres still happen
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    Re: America or Australia?

    The problem with America - its full of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdasdasd View Post
    Regardless of sensationalism.

    Gun massacres still happen
    So do terrorist attacks. Doesn't stop me from visiting London or Madrid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isildurrrr1 View Post
    So do terrorist attacks. Doesn't stop me from visiting London or Madrid.
    Everyone don't own a bomb in those countries

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    have fun with ur americans

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    Quote Originally Posted by isildurrrr1 View Post
    So do terrorist attacks. Doesn't stop me from visiting London or Madrid.
    lol, you're a very very thick human being

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    Quote Originally Posted by isildurrrr1 View Post
    So do terrorist attacks. Doesn't stop me from visiting London or Madrid.
    didnt realise 30,000 people die every year form terrorist attacks in the UK and spain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pHyRe View Post
    didnt realise 30,000 people die every year form terrorist attacks in the UK and spain.
    Don't go to shitty neighborhoods and you'd be fine. There were school shootings in Norway and Germany but it doesn't stop people from living there right?

    30,000 deaths a year in a country of 300 million. You have better odds of being hit by a bus than getting shot in a school shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pHyRe View Post
    didnt realise 30,000 people die every year form terrorist attacks in the UK and spain.
    also were talking specifically about school shootings, have fun not including gang shootings.

    fuck it australians go overseas to thailand, bali, south america and other "high risk" countries all the time yet theyre scared in america. top. lel.

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    Don't go off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by someth1ng View Post
    Don't go off topic.
    how is it off topic when people say "dont go to america coz hurrr school shootings"

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    I think going to America would be an awesome opportunity! I don't know anything about that uni, but to get away from this life and sort of start fresh in another country would be something that I would personally like to do :L
    My auntie just moved to America actually, she got a job there and brought her family (2 kids, 2 dogs and my uncle) with her. They're really excited about experiencing something new and different in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rawrliongirl View Post
    I don't know anything about that uni.
    it's full of super smaht janitors



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    In essence, MIT is the shiz if you want to be in any kind of engineering. Cal tech, Berkeley and MIT are THE top engineering and science schools in the world, getting into uni there and getting decent marks means you'd get to do what you love while getting paid really well.
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