Question about plagerism

midifile · 2 Aug 2008, 4:41 PM

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Something I've always been wondering...

Is it considered plagerism if you use include a phrase/sentance (word for word) from a textbook as part of an answer in the HSC?

emytaylor164 · 2 Aug 2008, 4:44 PM

i am not sure entirely but i wouldn't do it all that shows the examiner is that you can memorise stuff out of a book, something most can do, It does not show the examiner that you can explain it.

veloc1ty · 2 Aug 2008, 4:47 PM

Anything shorter than a sentence is probably allowed, but really you have no reason for not rewording it at least.

lyounamu · 2 Aug 2008, 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by midifile

Something I've always been wondering...

Is it considered plagerism if you use include phrase/sentance (word for word) from a textbook as part of an answer in the HSC?

In the HSC, they will not deduce marks for that. It's an exam based. Plagiarism becomes an issue when people put stuffs in assignment or given tasks without an appropriate acknowledgement and exam markers wouldn't have a clue anyway whether you put that exact phrase down or not.

midifile · 2 Aug 2008, 4:54 PM

Yea.

I'm not one to memorise things from the book word for word (I usually learn concepts rather than sentances), but was just wondering if they would penalise you for it if you did.

Rebekkie · 2 Aug 2008, 5:51 PM

if it's history, make it a quote

Bainesy · 2 Aug 2008, 6:11 PM

if they catch you they definately would deduct marks. all it is showing is that you can copy other peoples work, so they would doubt how much you really understood and how much you just reproduced from a study guide/textbook

Poad · 2 Aug 2008, 6:16 PM

They can't really penalise you for something like that in most subjects, especially if the content is purely factual. All you're doing is writing out the facts, not claiming that what you have written is your own personal idea.

But on the other hand, for subjects like English or History this can be a problem, because then you are using another critics personal idea and calling it your own, which really it isn't.

jazzbaby · 2 Aug 2008, 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by midifile

Something I've always been wondering...

Is it considered plagerism if you use include a phrase/sentance (word for word) from a textbook as part of an answer in the HSC?

good post

cem · 3 Aug 2008, 8:03 AM

In Modern History if the quote is relevant to build the argument and you said something like 'an historian said' there wouldn't be a problem because we do expect you to use ideas from historians and understand that exam stress can lead you to forget the actual historian's name.

That being said last year a number of students were penalised for plagiarism in the English exam. I believe the issue was that they used ideas from a story in the creative writing section and the markers recognised the story and penalised them accordingly.

cccclaire · 3 Aug 2008, 10:39 AM

i don't think so for facts, but for opinions then I think you would be penalised.

Say the subject is biology or chemistry, generally the text book will explain a fact in the most correct and compact way, if you were to change it into your own words you would probably be dumbing it down or making it longer. So for facts I think copying word for word is fine.

Say it's like economics and theres someones economic predictions in the book, then to copy it as your own work would be plagerism I think.

cardinalsfan70 · 3 Aug 2008, 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by midifile

Something I've always been wondering...

Is it considered plagerism if you use include a phrase/sentance (word for word) from a textbook as part of an answer in the HSC?

i think if you can integrate it so that it sounds like your own language i think it is fine... but like has been said previously, itll probably depend on the subject. in things like english it will be more obvious that you have plagiarised.

chewy123 · 3 Aug 2008, 7:50 PM

In the HSC exam i don't think so. It's under exam condition. You cant simply copying and pasting because there is no where you can copy from.

cem · 3 Aug 2008, 7:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chewy123

In the HSC exam i don't think so. It's under exam condition. You cant simply copying and pasting because there is no where you can copy from.

As I said earlier they did ping kids for plagiarism in the English exam last year due to the creative writing that they did.

conics2008 · 3 Aug 2008, 8:07 PM

simple answer no.

the lady from BOS, came and we asked her that exact same question.

it was a simple no, because its a conecpt you might explain or define a term.

eg maths formula ?? eg define stake holders .. different text books different meaning.

therefore its a simple no

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veloc1ty (: HSC: 2008 Gender: Male Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,279 Last Activity: Yesterday, 11:45 PM	Re: Question about plagerism Anything shorter than a sentence is probably allowed, but really you have no reason for not rewording it at least.

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midifile Na Na Na Na Naa HSC: 2008 Gender: Female Location: Sydney Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,224 Last Activity: 4 Oct 2009, 10:52 PM	Re: Question about plagerism Yea. I'm not one to memorise things from the book word for word (I usually learn concepts rather than sentances), but was just wondering if they would penalise you for it if you did.

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Bainesy Member HSC: 2008 Gender: Male Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 145 Last Activity: 13 Sep 2009, 1:31 PM	Re: Question about plagerism if they catch you they definately would deduct marks. all it is showing is that you can copy other peoples work, so they would doubt how much you really understood and how much you just reproduced from a study guide/textbook

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Poad Member HSC: 2008 Gender: Male Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 188 Last Activity: 6 Nov 2009, 5:48 PM	Re: Question about plagerism They can't really penalise you for something like that in most subjects, especially if the content is purely factual. All you're doing is writing out the facts, not claiming that what you have written is your own personal idea. But on the other hand, for subjects like English or History this can be a problem, because then you are using another critics personal idea and calling it your own, which really it isn't. __________________ NINEEIGHT**EIGHTZERO* B Commerce - Actuarial Studies + B Applied Finance @ Macquarie University

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cem Exalted Member HSC: N/A Gender: Female Location: Sydney Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 906 Last Activity: Today, 8:48 AM	Re: Question about plagerism In Modern History if the quote is relevant to build the argument and you said something like 'an historian said' there wouldn't be a problem because we do expect you to use ideas from historians and understand that exam stress can lead you to forget the actual historian's name. That being said last year a number of students were penalised for plagiarism in the English exam. I believe the issue was that they used ideas from a story in the creative writing section and the markers recognised the story and penalised them accordingly.

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cccclaire Premium Member HSC: 2008 Gender: Female Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 667 Last Activity: 9 Jun 2009, 5:54 PM	Re: Question about plagerism i don't think so for facts, but for opinions then I think you would be penalised. Say the subject is biology or chemistry, generally the text book will explain a fact in the most correct and compact way, if you were to change it into your own words you would probably be dumbing it down or making it longer. So for facts I think copying word for word is fine. Say it's like economics and theres someones economic predictions in the book, then to copy it as your own work would be plagerism I think.

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chewy123 most glorious member HSC: 2008 Gender: Male Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 560 Last Activity: Today, 9:59 AM Blog Entries: 1	Re: Question about plagerism In the HSC exam i don't think so. It's under exam condition. You cant simply copying and pasting because there is no where you can copy from. __________________ HSC: English advanced , English Extension I , Mathematics , Economics, Chemistry , Biology UNSW'13 - Bachelor of Midwifery/Bachelor of Commerce

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conics2008 Supreme Member HSC: 2005 Gender: Male Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,239 Last Activity: 29 May 2009, 7:59 PM	Re: Question about plagerism simple answer no. the lady from BOS, came and we asked her that exact same question. it was a simple no, because its a conecpt you might explain or define a term. eg maths formula ?? eg define stake holders .. different text books different meaning. therefore its a simple no

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