[iambored]

ok so basically i wanna know how u guys study 4 languages.

especially listening, and comprehensions. do u just learn vocab & practice? because before exams i always have trouble deciding what 2 do and so i eventually end up doing past papers, which i'm thinking is the best thing. and 4 the essays do u pre-learn sentences?

[mei_ling03]

well, over the past two years, these have come in really handy:

listening - past papers, SBS radio (97.7 FM) at 8am, 6pm, 11pm

reading/writing - emailing italians, friends, etc, continually writing vocab lists.. things that don't make sense in word for word translation like "in bocca al lupo"

speaking: talking to friends, myself hehe

hey if you wanna practice, write to me: mei_ling03@yahoo.it :)

[iambored]

ok well on the subject of radio u may be interested:

movimento fm 98.5 mon-thur 5-6pm and sat 6-7pm

la dolce vita 88.1fm thurs 8-10pm

they play italian songs. the hosts on movimento speak in eng, and on dolce i'm not sure, but the songs r cool!

[s2ophie]

I go to a regional school and the nearest school that teaches italian apart from my school is two hours away. We have a really great teacher though which helps a lot.

For speaking we each have a 20 minute individual session in class once a week where we go through a list of questions that they are most likely to answer and basically develop a 'bank' of answers to use. It works really well.

For listening seeing we all went pretty badly in the last assesment we are now doing practice listening exercises from past HSC's almost everyday. This is helping a lot. Also there is practice listening exercises at www.hsc.csu.edu.au

It would be really great if anyone who does italian could e-mail me in italian and just practice writing to each other. My e-mail is : s2ophie@aol.com

Ciao!!

[mei_ling03]

what's a regional school? outback?

[s2ophie]

I mean by a regional school as in a school not in the city. Like the Riverina Region.

[mei_ling03]

ohh... well in that case i go to one too... penrith high, that is.
i just saw "next school", "two hours away" and i thought woop woop land hehe.
your school's study plan sounds pretty good. at the moment we're not even finished all the work so instead we get hsc papers to complete at home.

i'm wondering, who here does italian and IS italian... man what a wrought!

[span23]

Ciao!! Io faccio L'italiano quest'anno e vorrei scrivere a un altro studente del'italiano, cosi posso practicare la mia scrittura. Il mio indirizzo di email e`hanna562@hotmial.com
Grazie mille!

[Kakie]

has anyone finished all the actual class work? what books are you using? ooh and how awesome is this line - se avessi saputo ke tu venissi avrei fatto una torta! i love it, gonna try and use it in speaking!!

[s2ophie]

we use the distant ed units ( ithink that what thye are)

We are up to the 23rd unit - all about writing letters

[s2ophie]

also has anyone been to an italian study day?

I am going to one tomorrow in griffith.

[mei_ling03]

what do you do in the study days?? it's strange cos you can't study content..

[ND]

What do you actually do in italian? Is it just grammar and vocab type stuff? Or do you have to analyse and write essays (like in english)?

[mei_ling03]

yeah just grammar and vocab really. there's no way i'd survive studying essays in italian. i think they do something similar in 3U tho. actually i did a writing test today.. had to write 600 words in italian..so daymn it did feel like one!
for writing tests we basically get given text types like writing letters, speeches etc and do comprehension stuff for reading and listening. the speaking part is self explanatory so yeah...

[ND]

Ah that's not too bad then. Still 600 words is quite a bit, i only write like 1000 per essay in english.

[iambored]

yeah, 3u is more like our english. they analyse movies and i think there may even be a part where they get 2 write in english (in some of the languages there is anyway).

[Kakie]

nah in the italian 3U they have to study Jack e` usito il gruppo...a film - and they have to do a monologue for their speaking, the movies isnt bad and the monologue they have all year to learn i think and it cant be so hard!!
as far as i know there is no english part!! how could they have english in a language exam??!!?

[iambored]

in some of the languaues one of the sections is actually 2 write about techniques and stuff in english. u need 2 have a sound understanding of the text in the foreign language thou 2 actually b able 2 write about it in eng.

[s2ophie]

gosh 600 words seems excessive. the most you could need to write in the HSC is 250.

Well i went to the study day today. I was OK but....


it wasn't like we did stuff we didn't know but it was really good to do speaking practice with someone we didn't know cos it was so much easier. i mean my teacher knows all my prepared answers and i know that he knows that i have prepared a question which makes it harder to sound converstational? Capicshe?


Anyway, what we did was the italian consultant lady at the Dept of Ed came down (giusseppina) and she had prepared a practice exam. We went through the listening which was supposedly harder but it was ok. The way we went through it was the exact seem as in class. Then my teacher went through this reading and responding theing which was a waste of time cos we have him all the time!!! We then did speaking in groups. Then we went through a writing theing where we had to design a website. that was good cos that question would have thrown me

Anyway, yeah it was alright. THe speaking was the most worthwhile however weiging up with 6hrs travel time is tricky. If the meringues hadn't been so good at the pasticceria....

[s2ophie]

We basically do a mix of grammar work and going through the main dotpoints in the syllabus like my personal world, world of work etc. Using the distance ed books they have converstaion and practices and stuff that we go through, and our teacher gives us extra work. We always have HW like past reading and responding or reading or writing about what we have been learning about

yeah thats about it

[mei_ling03]

the distance ed music is funny.
anyway, who does do 3U italian here? just curious..
if so, what grammar have you learnt?

[mei_ling03]

Originally posted by ND
Ah that's not too bad then. Still 600 words is quite a bit, i only write like 1000 per essay in english.

nah, 600 words wasn't that hard seeing as we did have about an hour as opposed to english where we have just 40 minutes. i whinge too much hehe. and anyway there were two parts so it wasn't like i had to ramble on about the same thing the whole way through. ecology and birthday presents i had to write about.

as for you, kakie... how are you gonna manage saying that you would've cooked the examiner a cake?? haha she'd/he'd think you were crazy!

[iambored]

he he, yeah i was trying 2 work that out 2... (the cake thing) ... maybe u can use it as a warm up , u kno, try 2 get on the examiners good side?? :)

[mei_ling03]

haha, what..do you think it would be a good bribe or something?? haha even better, why don't we just bring in some freshly baked brownies. that way he/she'll be too busy eating therefore no time to ask questions..YEAH!! now that strategy :p

[s2ophie]

no we should bring in some italian food, not brownies!!

[iambored]

haha yeah! hmm... something reeeeally tasty! hmmmm ... :confused: i dunno.. haha

[mei_ling03]

mmm italian food..gotta love it. anyone care to cook for me? my italian teacher did on the 2nd last week of school ....MMMMMMM :) hehe and my textiles teacher cooks our class cake for our birthdays and cookies for class...talk about service hey!

[iambored]

wat? ur teacher cooked 4 u?? ohhh..... wat did she cook?

[s2ophie]

wow my teacher doesn't cook for us!! My friend and I cooked for the class: choc chip semi-freddo....delizioso!

[rhinoivory]

you have to order some canoli and ires for your teachers, they should love that! LOL, I couldn't do it though, I would eat them before they got to school or the exam centre!

I'm just wondering. For you people that do 3u, do you actually like it? It's the dumbest movie that I have ever seen, and the score and acting was absolutely shocking. They should have chosen Cinema Paradiso (seen in close to 20 times)..... If they were analysing that, I would have done it....

[iambored]

hey, wat are ires?? dunno if ive heard of them

i dunno if ne1 here does 3u

[mei_ling03]

Originally posted by iambored
wat? ur teacher cooked 4 u?? ohhh..... wat did she cook?

bolognese and meatballs.. mmmmmmmm... i was soo stuffed after that!

oooh we saw cinema paradiso in class... i was ok. we've also seen toy story, come due coccodrilli, la vita e' bella and some other ones that escape me.. what movies have you all seen??
i cried watching life is beautiful... hehe how embarassing

[s2ophie]

yeah i cried in la vita e' bella

i saw L'ultimo bacio when it came here. Did any one see it?

We've watched cinema paradiso and a few others but i can't really remember. Do you know theat huwey, duwey and lewey in italian are qui, qua, quo??

[rhinoivory]

ires are basically fired pastry with chocolate cream on the inside....and I'm not talking a few teaspoons either, I'm talking a huge ball of thick beautiful chocolate!!!! If you go to an Italian pastry store.make sure the cooks are sicilian.... as this is sicilian food

BTW, each time I've watched cinema paradiso (directors cut), i have gotten "watery eyes", and yes, I am a snag, my gf reminds me constantly.....hahahahaahahaha....but in all honesty, good acting, good story and good characters all should have emotional impact, its what film should do. Jack frusciante does not create any emotional reaction, and all in all, its a bad movie. The music also put me off (even though my cd collection consists of punk rock, rock, rap, acid jazz, lounge funk, latin, rap, harnd nrg, dance). If they wanted to do a movie that wanted to reflect growing up, they could have chosen something like Malena which is much more light-hearted and has many other key areas onto which students can easily extrapalate. If any of you want to see QUALITY italian films, I suggest you hire out Cinema Paradiso and Malena, both directed by Giuseppe Tornatore.

IMO, la vita e bella was way too overrated....... yes, it is a very good movie, but it didn't have that much impact on me. The director of la vita e bella went off to make Pinochio, it was a flop.

[iambored]

oh ok cool, i have never heard of ires

yeah la vita e' bella... well i was expecting it 2 b SO sad coz every1 was talkin bout how sad it was. so i watched it and its funny! i mean, yeah, i feel sorry 4 the boy in the end but the stroy ends on a funny, not sad note.

haha! qui, qua, quo, thats mad!

[s2ophie]

does anyone know any good italian websites? Both ones that help to learn italian and ones that are simple to read?

[iambored]

good q, maybe even any italian forums? where we can post msges about music and stuff?

[s2ophie]

mm that would be good. my teacher keeps on telling em to read as much as i can but i don't know where to start

[iambored]

in the city or in big newsagencies sometimes they sell magazines from italy. they canbe quite expensive, and hard to read of course, but if u have access u can go and have a look

besides that, yeah i dnt know what else u could read. so yeah, websites would be good

[rhinoivory]

lol, im a bloke, so i just go to the ferrari website.....hours of fun reading

[rhinoivory]

oops, the www.ferrari.it website :D

[iambored]

lol, well thats not gonna be fun 4 me!! i might check it out though

[iambored]

lol it brings up a blank black page!

i spose we could try something like yahoo.it and search / look at links on there

[rhinoivory]

?? blank??

works well for me.....anyways, nothign exciting for the gals there, just some red boring cars, cough cough

[Kakie]

red cars that say ferrari are not boring,
once i was sitting in maths and this red car went past with a ferrari badge on the side, i jumped up out of my chair to the window, as we are an all girls school, the guys(driving) were going really slow and on the back of the car was a honda badge, i was so disappointed!! :(

[Kakie]

AND GETTING BACK TO FOOD THINGS, I WOULD DO PANETONNE!! DAYMN

[iambored]

mmmm... yumm

[Kakie]

ok guys if you want italian chat sort of sites and stuff...
www.virgilio.it
www.musicaitaliana.it
i cant think of the other one right now but these 2 are orrite

[iambored]

hmmm ok

i also know of www.tiscalinet.it but i dont know wat its like, i just kno many ppl have emails there

[Kakie]

www.tin.it
and my soccer site - www.asroma.it !!becos roma is the best team ever - check out ferronetti!

[tonberry_kun]

study hard lads!

[Kakie]

how has everyone gone in their exams??

[tonberry_kun]

10/60 :(

[iambored]

we havent got our exams back yet
wat about u guys?

[mei_ling03]

exams? back already? i just did mine this morning!

[iambored]

oh really? everyone should really sit the ILTA paper at the same time!

[mei_ling03]

Originally posted by iambored
oh really? everyone should really sit the ILTA paper at the same time!

hehe yeah i wanted to ask everyone what's in the exam.. but i thought i'd try achieving it own my own :)

i think i went ok... listening was great... only 8 questions!

[iambored]

god job mel_ling! yeah, well finding out info is pointless, then you won't know how you will go in the hsc, don't know where to improve, these are TRIALS - to try before the hsc, thats what i think

[Hottieflossy]

when we were doing the Italian food topic we made risotto but it was un po' al dente, if u know wat i mean...we stil ate it though

[Kakie]

i got 93% ooh YAY

[s2ophie]

Originally posted by Kakie
i got 93% ooh YAY

brava!


Originally posted by Hottieflossy
when we were doing the Italian food topic we made risotto but it was un po' al dente, if u know wat i mean...we stil ate it though

My friend and i made choc chip semi-freddo a couple of months ago e era delizioso! We also made granita in year10 or 11 and spaghetti at one stage. When we were in Italy we went to acooking class and made the best pasta i had in all of italy and tiramasu! (purtroppo, non mi piace tiramasu!) That was like the best day of our entire trip. it was my friends 16th birthday, we climbed the tower in piazza del campo (we were in Siena) and looked out over tuscany and after our delicious meal we went outside and it was snowing!!!!!!!!!!!!! i had never seen it snow before so it was fantastic!!

Ahhhhh, italy!

[iambored]

Originally posted by Hottieflossy
when we were doing the Italian food topic we made risotto but it was un po' al dente, if u know wat i mean...we stil ate it though
mmm.. yum, but not al dente oh well
Originally posted by Kakie
i got 93% ooh YAY
excellent!

[Kakie]

ok can i just say, the teacher who came with us on the trip to italy from my school (the one who couldnt spk italian)
came up to me the other day and asked me come stai? e poi non ha aspettato un risposto ha detto bene grazie prego...it was all i could do to hold in my laughter until she had walked away
SHAME!!

[sonia]

HEY SOPHIE,
WOT PART OF THE RIVERINA R U FROM? I'M FROM LEETON
AND I'M ALSO ITALIAN.

[iambored]

Originally posted by Kakie
ok can i just say, the teacher who came with us on the trip to italy from my school (the one who couldnt spk italian)
came up to me the other day and asked me come stai? e poi non ha aspettato un risposto ha detto bene grazie prego...it was all i could do to hold in my laughter until she had walked away
SHAME!!
huh? why?? weird teacher

[s2ophie]

Originally posted by sonia
HEY SOPHIE,
WOT PART OF THE RIVERINA R U FROM? I'M FROM LEETON
AND I'M ALSO ITALIAN.

Albury however i'm not italian

[iambored]

do u have other languages at ur school sophie?

[s2ophie]

Originally posted by iambored
do u have other languages at ur school sophie?

yep. we used to be a languages high school but there was too much paperwork to keep the title apparently. However we have 4 languages - italian, french, japanese and german. How about you?

[iambored]

oh wow a language high school? cool

yeah we have japanese as well

how did the people from french, japanese and german find the exams? how many people do them?
we don;t have too many doing languages

[Kakie]

abbiamo quattro lingue alla scuola mia, il francese, il cinese, l'indonesiano e l'italiano,
anke studenti possono fare altre lingue via la scuola media aperta
open high...haha

[iambored]

thats an interesting selection of languages u know!!

[Kakie]

xke?

[iambored]

well the common ones are french, japanese and german
then maybe spanish and italian

but u have indonesian and chinese! thats cool, otherwise people couldn't learn them

[s2ophie]

There is 391 people doing italian continuers this year and 625 beginners. 10 of the continuers are at my school. How many in you guys classes?

[iambored]

same as you

that's not really many people if u think about it! we've already cut 20 out, now only 371 to find!