Revenge Tragedy

the_nemisis · 13 Jun 2003, 10:49 PM

i have an assesment task and im seeking related material.... i dont want it to be to complex or anything as i already do Medea, High Noon, Hamlet and Unforgiven. Im seeking a song, or anything small

thanks

phillipo · 14 Jun 2003, 4:18 PM

Hey did your teacher actually teach you Hamlet or is it a related text that you chose? The reason I ask is that it's a 2u text and the examiners get really suspicious if you do any texts from another course, a few people in my 2u class were using some book starting with a b...really can't remember...and a parent (who is on the board of studies) rang up and told them they had to choose other texts. Our teachers checked with the board and they strongly advised against it too...

but in actual fact, Hamlet really should be one of the core texts for RT, not fricken Revenger's Tragedy, that's a load of crap

phillipo · 14 Jun 2003, 4:21 PM

oh, but in answer to your related text thing, you can do a film (only takes about 3 hours to watch and write notes on) like:
Road to Perdition
Godfather part I or II
Gladiator
The Talented Mr Ripley (arguably not a tragedy but you can always bullshit your way around it)

OR go to the Sydney Morning Herald website and search for an article, like type in "revenge" and "murder" and you can always argue that articles are tragedies coz they, you know, "reveal certain truths about our society which we choose to ignore" and the fact that RT isn't just fictional.

truly-in-bliss · 14 Jun 2003, 9:49 PM

talkign abt songs...somone is doing one of eminem's song..but i say it is a bit suicidal unless you can come up with a highly intellectual thesis on the elements of RT...

as philipo mentioned b4..and i will mention again...galdiator is a good choice.....it is not dat hard or complex..

hamlet is suspicious for 3u because it is a 2u prescribed text...what did your teacher say?

truly in bliss

Wacky · 1 Jul 2003, 6:27 PM

Well, its a poem, but since nobody's mentioned it yet

My Last Duchess
Propyria's Lover (spelling unsure)

by Robert Browning (I think)

besides, Revenger's Tragedy is funny. High Noon isn't really revenge at all. Revenge is more of a side issue.

McLake · 7 Jul 2003, 9:40 AM

I've renamed this thread, and given it "sticky" status ...

truly-in-bliss · 11 Jul 2003, 1:52 PM

this thread is so lonely....

ijuzcantw8 · 21 Jul 2003, 12:30 PM

If it's an assessment task, won't you be needing more than "small" related texts?? - just a thought.

But on the notion of small, there's a song called 'I did what I did for maria'

Also the film The Bank and Gladiator and the novel The Count of Monte Cristo.

Btw, High Noon is a demonstration of what rev. tragedy is NOT rather than what it is..... it's a comment on the changing nature of the genre.

truly-in-bliss · 27 Jul 2003, 12:52 AM

High Noon so is a revenge tragedy. It is more ambigious, but it is definately more intersting than some revenge tragedies, The Revenger's Tragedy being one example.

Jamoe · 11 Aug 2003, 9:41 PM

"Delilah" by Tom Jones is a good one for R.T

Jamoe · 11 Aug 2003, 10:19 PM

COME ON LETS GET SOME CREATIVE REVENGE TRAGEDY JUICE FLOWING SURELY THERE IS MORE PPL IN THE STATE DOING IT!?!?

truly-in-bliss · 12 Aug 2003, 1:10 PM

well in 20001....

in module A:

77% did crime
20% did revenge
3% did the essay......

Jamoe · 13 Aug 2003, 7:46 PM

I watched "The Count of Monte Christo" that is a PRIME example!

i still cant get my head around the tragedy bit

and where is the tragedy in high noon?

truly-in-bliss · 15 Aug 2003, 1:25 AM

*steps in the high noon lover*

the conflic tis not between Will Kane and Frank Miller...

the conflcit is between Kane and the moral cowardice of the society and that is the tragedy

the tragedy is a moral one,....not physical.....furthermore, because we are been left with an opening-ending......the tragedy also lies in the hopeless future of the society.....

Kane = law
Kane leaves at the end = no law
society needs law and when Hadleyville looses Kane = hadlevyille loses law = no future = tragedy

so the tragedy is both the present and the future

aleaha · 5 Nov 2003, 7:01 AM

thats strange because our teachers told us to most definately use "Hamlet", the film as a related text b/cos we read through the HSC MARKING CRITERIA for last yr, and they said that "not enough students used Hamlet". And by the way The Reven. Tragedy is a sick novel!! Its better the High Noon.

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the_nemisis New Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 10 Last Activity: 8 Dec 2003, 1:53 AM	Does anyone do REVENGE TRAGEDY i have an assesment task and im seeking related material.... i dont want it to be to complex or anything as i already do Medea, High Noon, Hamlet and Unforgiven. Im seeking a song, or anything small thanks __________________ ds

14 Jun 2003, 4:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
phillipo Junior Member HSC: 2003 Gender: Undisclosed Location: Sydney city Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26 Last Activity: 30 Jun 2007, 1:23 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy Hey did your teacher actually teach you Hamlet or is it a related text that you chose? The reason I ask is that it's a 2u text and the examiners get really suspicious if you do any texts from another course, a few people in my 2u class were using some book starting with a b...really can't remember...and a parent (who is on the board of studies) rang up and told them they had to choose other texts. Our teachers checked with the board and they strongly advised against it too... but in actual fact, Hamlet really should be one of the core texts for RT, not fricken Revenger's Tragedy, that's a load of crap

14 Jun 2003, 4:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
phillipo Junior Member HSC: 2003 Gender: Undisclosed Location: Sydney city Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26 Last Activity: 30 Jun 2007, 1:23 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy oh, but in answer to your related text thing, you can do a film (only takes about 3 hours to watch and write notes on) like: Road to Perdition Godfather part I or II Gladiator The Talented Mr Ripley (arguably not a tragedy but you can always bullshit your way around it) OR go to the Sydney Morning Herald website and search for an article, like type in "revenge" and "murder" and you can always argue that articles are tragedies coz they, you know, "reveal certain truths about our society which we choose to ignore" and the fact that RT isn't just fictional.

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truly-in-bliss my love is like woah! HSC: 2003 Gender: Female Location: Strathfield, Sydney Gender: Female Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,395 Last Activity: 24 Feb 2006, 9:21 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy talkign abt songs...somone is doing one of eminem's song..but i say it is a bit suicidal unless you can come up with a highly intellectual thesis on the elements of RT... as philipo mentioned b4..and i will mention again...galdiator is a good choice.....it is not dat hard or complex.. hamlet is suspicious for 3u because it is a 2u prescribed text...what did your teacher say? truly in bliss __________________ idiots annoy me

1 Jul 2003, 6:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Wacky Who me? HSC: 2003 Gender: Male Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 46 Last Activity: 17 Jul 2007, 12:55 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy Well, its a poem, but since nobody's mentioned it yet My Last Duchess Propyria's Lover (spelling unsure) by Robert Browning (I think) besides, Revenger's Tragedy is funny. High Noon isn't really revenge at all. Revenge is more of a side issue.

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McLake The Perfect Nerd HSC: 2002 Gender: Male Location: The Shire Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,195 Last Activity: 11 May 2007, 11:29 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy I've renamed this thread, and given it "sticky" status ... __________________ No Longer Around

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truly-in-bliss my love is like woah! HSC: 2003 Gender: Female Location: Strathfield, Sydney Gender: Female Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,395 Last Activity: 24 Feb 2006, 9:21 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy this thread is so lonely.... __________________ idiots annoy me

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ijuzcantw8 New Member Location: Newcastle Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1 Last Activity: 21 Jul 2003, 12:32 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy If it's an assessment task, won't you be needing more than "small" related texts?? - just a thought. But on the notion of small, there's a song called 'I did what I did for maria' Also the film The Bank and Gladiator and the novel The Count of Monte Cristo. Btw, High Noon is a demonstration of what rev. tragedy is NOT rather than what it is..... it's a comment on the changing nature of the genre. __________________ )

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truly-in-bliss my love is like woah! HSC: 2003 Gender: Female Location: Strathfield, Sydney Gender: Female Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,395 Last Activity: 24 Feb 2006, 9:21 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy High Noon so is a revenge tragedy. It is more ambigious, but it is definately more intersting than some revenge tragedies, The Revenger's Tragedy being one example. __________________ idiots annoy me

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Jamoe New Member Location: the upper reaches of the North Shore of Sydney City Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14 Last Activity: 24 Oct 2003, 9:49 AM	Re: Revenge Tragedy "Delilah" by Tom Jones is a good one for R.T __________________ let me answer your question with another question, how many abodiginies do you see modelling?

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Jamoe New Member Location: the upper reaches of the North Shore of Sydney City Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14 Last Activity: 24 Oct 2003, 9:49 AM	Re: Revenge Tragedy COME ON LETS GET SOME CREATIVE REVENGE TRAGEDY JUICE FLOWING SURELY THERE IS MORE PPL IN THE STATE DOING IT!?!? __________________ let me answer your question with another question, how many abodiginies do you see modelling?

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truly-in-bliss my love is like woah! HSC: 2003 Gender: Female Location: Strathfield, Sydney Gender: Female Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,395 Last Activity: 24 Feb 2006, 9:21 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy well in 20001.... in module A: 77% did crime 20% did revenge 3% did the essay...... __________________ idiots annoy me

13 Aug 2003, 7:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jamoe New Member Location: the upper reaches of the North Shore of Sydney City Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14 Last Activity: 24 Oct 2003, 9:49 AM	Re: Revenge Tragedy I watched "The Count of Monte Christo" that is a PRIME example! i still cant get my head around the tragedy bit and where is the tragedy in high noon? __________________ let me answer your question with another question, how many abodiginies do you see modelling?

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truly-in-bliss my love is like woah! HSC: 2003 Gender: Female Location: Strathfield, Sydney Gender: Female Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,395 Last Activity: 24 Feb 2006, 9:21 PM	Re: Revenge Tragedy steps in the high noon lover the conflic tis not between Will Kane and Frank Miller... the conflcit is between Kane and the moral cowardice of the society and that is the tragedy the tragedy is a moral one,....not physical.....furthermore, because we are been left with an opening-ending......the tragedy also lies in the hopeless future of the society..... Kane = law Kane leaves at the end = no law society needs law and when Hadleyville looses Kane = hadlevyille loses law = no future = tragedy so the tragedy is both the present and the future __________________ idiots annoy me

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aleaha New Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7 Last Activity: 5 Nov 2003, 7:01 AM	Re: Revenge Tragedy thats strange because our teachers told us to most definately use "Hamlet", the film as a related text b/cos we read through the HSC MARKING CRITERIA for last yr, and they said that "not enough students used Hamlet". And by the way The Reven. Tragedy is a sick novel!! Its better the High Noon.

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