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Just expose yourself to lots of parametrics questions and you should be fine.
 

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See in this picture how points C and D are on the same side of the interval AB.

Now if angle ACB=angle ADB, it means that ABDC is cyclic.
Because if you remember, angles on the circumference subtended by the same are equal.
Conversely, if two angles subtended by the same chord (or arc) are equal, the four points must lie on the circumference of a circle. (i.e Concyclic)
So the points A B C and D need to touch the circumference?
 

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So the points A B C and D need to touch the circumference?
If the angles were equal, then yes those four points would be on the circumference of a circle.



Very basic exam question: State why BEDC is a cyclic quadrilateral.
In this example, because two angles subtended by the same interval are equal, those four points are cyclic.

Its just another way to prove points are cyclic.
 

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Examine, do you know all the methods of proving points are cyclic/form a cyclic quadrilateral?
 

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Examine, do you know all the methods of proving points are cyclic/form a cyclic quadrilateral?
The exterior angle and the opposite angle rules?
 

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If the angles were equal, then yes those four points would be on the circumference of a circle.



Very basic exam question: State why BEDC is a cyclic quadrilateral.
In this example, because two angles subtended by the same interval are equal, those four points are cyclic.

Its just another way to prove points are cyclic.
So let's say that we had the same situation as outlined, though in the diagram one of the angle points did not touch the circumference, yet is the same angle as the other one which does.

Does that mean that in this situation it is still concyclic, yet the circle it makes is positioned at another place (for all points to touch the circumference)?
 

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So let's say that we had the same situation as outlined, though in the diagram one of the angle points did not touch the circumference, yet is the same angle as the other one which does.

Does that mean that in this situation it is still concyclic, yet the circle it makes is positioned at another place (for all points to touch the circumference)?
I think I get what you're trying to say.

If you have proved that 4 points are cyclic and one of them does not visually lie on the given circle, this means that it lies on another circle ie One that goes through those 4 points. I might not be too clear here, but I hope you get the right message.
 

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I think I get what you're trying to say.

If you have proved that 4 points are cyclic and one of them does not visually lie on the given circle, this means that it lies on another circle ie One that goes through those 4 points. I might not be too clear here, but I hope you get the right message.
Oh yes I get it thanks.
 

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So let's say that we had the same situation as outlined, though in the diagram one of the angle points did not touch the circumference, yet is the same angle as the other one which does.

Does that mean that in this situation it is still concyclic, yet the circle it makes is positioned at another place (for all points to touch the circumference)?
Im not fully sure what you're saying, can you draw a diagram.

If the points are on the circumference, then they are equal (if subtended by same or equal arc), and conversely, assume no circle is drawn, if two points subtend equal angles from a line, then they all lie on a circumference of a circle.
 

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For something like this, if you were to apply the theorem it would mean that they are concyclic right? (even though one point does not touch the circumference). Does this mean that you can generate a circle which would touch all 4 points?
 

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For something like this, if you were to apply the theorem it would mean that they are concyclic right? (even though one point does not touch the circumference). Does this mean that you can generate a circle which would touch all 4 points?
Yes - you proved that A,B,C,D are cyclic points that lie on a circle ie One that goes through A,B,C,D
 

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For something like this, if you were to apply the theorem it would mean that they are concyclic right? (even though one point does not touch the circumference). Does this mean that you can generate a circle which would touch all 4 points?
Yes they are concyclic, except they lie on a different circle to the one you have there.
 

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For something like this, if you were to apply the theorem it would mean that they are concyclic right? (even though one point does not touch the circumference). Does this mean that you can generate a circle which would touch all 4 points?
This is impossible.

Through any 3 points (that are not collinear), there is ONLY ONE unique circle that can be made. Hence if the quadrilateral is concyclic, then the 4th point must lie on the circle. In the diagram you posted, the point 'c' MUST lie on the circle given, if not then the angles are not equal.
 

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Yes - you proved that A,B,C,D are cyclic points that lie on a circle ie One that goes through A,B,C,D
Yes they are concyclic, except they lie on a different circle to the one you have there.
They can only lie on one circle, and one circle only.

His diagram is impossible.
 

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They can only lie on one circle, and one circle only.

His diagram is impossible.
Yep, it's because the theorem (angle subtended same chord same side blah blah) is an IFF definition.
 

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Basically today I have gone over the proof for circles. Hopefully I can do some questions now.
 

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How do you find the focal length of a quadratic equation (for example: y=x^2+6x+5)
 

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Wait nvm I get it now.
 

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So what we need to do, to find the focal length, is to get the equation into the form:


Where a is our focal length:



Therefore our focal length is 0.25
You just need to use completing the square to get it into that focal length form
 

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So what we need to do, to find the focal length, is to get the equation into the form:


Where a is our focal length:



Therefore our focal length is 0.25
You just need to use completing the square to get it into that focal length form
I have reached that form, though I don't understand how you reached a=1/4. (Seems like what I thought was how to do it was wrong :()
 

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