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    French/Greek elections


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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Viva la Revolution.

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    The Socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year.

    He wants to raise the minimum wage, hire 60,000 more teachers and lower the retirement age from 62 to 60 for some workers.


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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Lets put politics aside and look at this rationally:

    - raise taxes on the rich - this makes sense and most would think it is good
    - hire 60000 more teachers - again makes sense, few would argue against it
    - lower retirement age - this doesn't make sense given the current global financial woes and an aging populating.

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    literally none of those ideas are any good

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    how upsetting

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    is it the mid 1930s again or what

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Funkshen, why is it your opinion that more teachers bad?

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    because france doesn't need more teachers and the only reason he's doing it is because teachers are socialists (appeasing the base). sarkozy's proposals were far better

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Quote Originally Posted by soloooooo View Post
    Lets put politics aside and look at this rationally:

    - raise taxes on the rich - this makes sense and most would think it is good
    - hire 60000 more teachers - again makes sense, few would argue against it
    - lower retirement age - this doesn't make sense given the current global financial woes and an aging populating.
    Even though soloo is nuts I agree in this respect. Sarkozy bailed out those fat cats and wanker bankers despite this the upper echelons of these companies have been voting themselves massive bonuses whilst forcing austerity on their underlings. With their creative accounting these wankers got us into this mess, finally a politician with the guts to make them shoulder some of the burden. As for teachers, Funkshen don't be a dickhead, after twenty years of conservative governments the teachers have been stretched further and further, asked to do more and more and given fewer and fewer since Mitterand. The lowering of the retirement age is obviously a bit of feting the electorate despite being bad economics.

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Whether or not taxing people more makes you moist, even you have to admit that the proposed changes are entirely unsustainable and will drive france into the ground.
    dont hate babies. they need to learn, they dont know what to do.

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    No money left, retirement age has to be lifted, general strike, "the rich" are blamed.
    dont hate babies. they need to learn, they dont know what to do.

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    simply increasing the amount of teachers solves nothing, and you are simply wrong about teachers being stretched further and further. public expenditure on education has barely changed over the past 20 years (oscillating around 5% of GDP) and has barely changed in the past 10. i take the poor, poor teachers story with a grain of salt. the UMP had some pretty good education policies (whether they would deliver on them is another question) coming in to this election.

    the class warfare story is hackneyed and unless you clarify who the "fat cats and wanker bankers" are and how they were "bailed out" i have no idea what you're talking about.


    the socialists want to increase the minimum wage
    introduce a new tax bracket of 75% on earnings over 1.3m euros
    raise taxes on big corporations, introduce something approximating a tobin tax
    reduce the retirement age

    france is now the zimbabwe of europe

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Quote Originally Posted by funkshen View Post
    simply increasing the amount of teachers solves nothing, and you are simply wrong about teachers being stretched further and further. public expenditure on education has barely changed over the past 20 years (oscillating around 5% of GDP) and has barely changed in the past 10. i take the poor, poor teachers story with a grain of salt. the UMP had some pretty good education policies (whether they would deliver on them is another question) coming in to this election.

    the class warfare story is hackneyed and unless you clarify who the "fat cats and wanker bankers" are and how they were "bailed out" i have no idea what you're talking about.


    the socialists want to increase the minimum wage
    introduce a new tax bracket of 75% on earnings over 1.3m euros
    raise taxes on big corporations, introduce something approximating a tobin tax
    reduce the retirement age

    france is now the zimbabwe of europe
    How does increasing teacher numbers solve nothing? Do you think there is no relation between school class sizes and student performance?

    What is your qualm with raising taxes on the rich?

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Quote Originally Posted by SylvesterBr View Post
    Whether or not taxing people more makes you moist, even you have to admit that the proposed changes are entirely unsustainable and will drive france into the ground.
    No, undertaxation is one of the underlying causes of the present financial situation.

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Lentern View Post
    Do you think there is no relation between school class sizes and student performance?
    Claims about performance being dependant on class size are grossly overstated, with plently of research saying that such a relationship barely exists and teacher quality being of far greater importance.
    dont hate babies. they need to learn, they dont know what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SylvesterBr View Post
    Claims about performance being dependant on class size are grossly overstated, with plently of research saying that such a relationship barely exists and teacher quality being of far greater importance.
    Yeah I'm sure you've got some little op ed from the IPA or Stormfront or whatever that goes into it in great depth.

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    IPA or stormfront .

    whats the difference
    dont hate babies. they need to learn, they dont know what to do.

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Quote Originally Posted by Lentern View Post
    No, undertaxation is one of the underlying causes of the present financial situation.
    no it isnt

    How does increasing teacher numbers solve nothing? Do you think there is no relation between school class sizes and student performance?
    if you think that is the aim of this policy you are a fool. if you think this policy will alleviate the problem you are also a fool. first of all, they plan to increase teaching staff i.e. teachers and administration/bureaucrats. it smacks of peronism secondly they plan to increase enrollments, so the overall effect of this policy in regards to outcomes for students will probably nil.

    What is your qualm with raising taxes on the rich?
    its populism, not good policy

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Quote Originally Posted by funkshen View Post
    simply increasing the amount of teachers solves nothing, and you are simply wrong about teachers being stretched further and further. public expenditure on education has barely changed over the past 20 years (oscillating around 5% of GDP) and has barely changed in the past 10. i take the poor, poor teachers story with a grain of salt. the UMP had some pretty good education policies (whether they would deliver on them is another question) coming in to this election.

    the class warfare story is hackneyed and unless you clarify who the "fat cats and wanker bankers" are and how they were "bailed out" i have no idea what you're talking about.


    the socialists want to increase the minimum wage
    introduce a new tax bracket of 75% on earnings over 1.3m euros
    raise taxes on big corporations, introduce something approximating a tobin tax
    reduce the retirement age

    france is now the zimbabwe of europe

    I think Greece took that prize br8.
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    Re: French/Greek elections

    Why do you guys know so much about French domestic politics lwol?

    Quote Originally Posted by freddie_mercury View Post
    is it the mid 1930s again or what
    It's probably a lot worse

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    greece is somalia

    Quote Originally Posted by Graney View Post
    Why do you guys know so much about French domestic politics lwol?
    google bro u shud check it out

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    Re: French/Greek elections

    what do you think of the greek elections?
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    Re: French/Greek elections

    shuffling deckchairs

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkshen View Post
    shuffling deckchairs
    hahaha
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