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    Beginner calculus question...

    For y=x3 find dy/dx at x=1

    I did this. How do I find the answer, because i probably did it wrong.

    dy/dx= lim 1-->c (13-c3)/1-c
    =lim 1-->c (1-c)(c2+c+1)/1-c
    =lim 1-->c c2+c+1
    how do i get c????
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    y= x^3
    y'= 3x^2

    x=1

    Therefore

    F'(x) = 3x^2
    f'(1)= 3(1)^2
    f'(1)= 3

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    u can differentiate it normally if u want( simpler) but it is good to know first principles.
    so y=x^3 ( when u differentiate u bring the power down and times it by the coefficient and u minus one from original power..)
    so dy/dx=3x^2
    at x=1
    sub it in.
    ,=3(1)^2
    =3

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Where did you get c from? It looks like you are using first principal. Use short method it is easier.

    This should take max three steps.

    State it
    Differeniate it
    Sub in x and solve

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    if you sub 1 into f'
    shouldn't it be, 3(1)^2
    which is 9?
    No, it is 3

    1 square times 3 is 3

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    if you sub 1 into f'
    shouldn't it be, 3(1)^2
    which is 9?

    You're doing it in the wrong order.

    You solve powers first then mulitply

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    if you sub 1 into f'
    shouldn't it be, 3(1)^2
    which is 9?
    the squared is only on the xvalue... and then u times by 3
    but if it was (3x)^2
    then u would be right...

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Yeh we just started today and have learnt the first principle. How do I do it using the long way, because we haven't done differentiation properly yet :P
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Siddy123 View Post
    the squared is only on the xvalue... and then u times by 3
    but if it was (3x)^2
    then u would be right...
    Yes, sorry saw it wrong, wow I couldn't even do a basic 2u question.
    oh lord, my hsc LOL
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    Yes, sorry saw it wrong, wow I couldn't even do a basic 2u question.
    oh lord, my hsc LOL
    lol it would be a year 8 question haha and you are doing ext 2 :P


    Its alright. Its not a bad mistake, just one of those things people over look.

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    Yes, sorry saw it wrong, wow I couldn't even do a basic 2u question.
    oh lord, my hsc LOL
    dw cuz.
    YOLO.

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by OH1995 View Post
    Yeh we just started today and have learnt the first principle. How do I do it using the long way, because we haven't done differentiation properly yet :P
    Long way is first principal


    The short method is for only equations like 3x^2 (ones which aren't fractions, brackets etc.)

    You take the power put it at the front and then reduce the power again.

    i.e. x^3

    Take the power of three to the front and reduce the power to 2 to make 3x^2

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Siddy123 View Post
    dw cuz.
    YOLO.
    YES YOLO!
    are you doing 4u and 3u hsc this year? and you're in year 11?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    YES YOLO!
    are you doing 4u and 3u hsc this year? and you're in year 11?
    damn son, u do 4unit and u can read a sig.
    marry me pls.
    hehehe, nah, on a srs note.
    yeah i do u do 4u as well aye how u finding it?

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    I hope you know, that I just did not bother writing down the expansion then simplifying etc.
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    I hate using first principal. It is such an effort .

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Siddy123 View Post
    damn son, u do 4unit and u can read a sig.
    marry me pls.
    hehehe, nah, on a srs note.
    yeah i do u do 4u as well aye how u finding it?
    pretty hard, but it's okay I guess?
    good luck in the HSC, i'm competing against you, go ez!
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sy123 View Post
    nice name m8
    and u gotta teach me how to use LaTex one time:P

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    FYI

    For you 4U students, i uploads a heap of resources for you in the 4u thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdosha View Post
    pretty hard, but it's okay I guess?
    good luck in the HSC, i'm competing against you, go ez!
    thank you
    all the best to you.
    and yeah, me and only the rest of NSW.
    ill make sure i let every1 know to take it ezy aye

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Siddy123 View Post
    nice name m8
    and u gotta teach me how to use LaTex one time:P
    Haha, yes I like your name too.

    I gradually learnt latex through: http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php

    I kept using the buttons to make the image, and gradually I learnt all the commands by heart, and now I just use the tex /tex editor here
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sy123 View Post
    Haha, yes I like your name too.

    I gradually learnt latex through: http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php

    I kept using the buttons to make the image, and gradually I learnt all the commands by heart, and now I just use the " /> built in editor here.
    There's an in built editor here? I dont see the 'function' button that they use to have....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sy123 View Post
    Haha, yes I like your name too.

    I gradually learnt latex through: [URL]http://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php[/URL]

    I kept using the buttons to make the image, and gradually I learnt all the commands by heart, and now I just use the tex /tex editor here
    ill check that out.
    thanx

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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peeik View Post
    There's an in built editor here? I dont see the 'function' button that they use to have....

    Well you have to bound the commands with the commands

    [$tex] and at the end [/tex$]

    There are NO dollar signs here. I just did that otherwise it will think Im writing latex
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    Re: Beginner calculus question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sy123 View Post
    Well you have to bound the commands with the commands

    [$tex] and at the end [/tex$]

    There are NO dollar signs here. I just did that otherwise it will think Im writing latex
    ahhhhh i see what you mean now.....and you just put the latex coding in between there?
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