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    English Advanced trials help

    I know that I will be thought of as lazy and careless but i know NOTHING of English Advanced and have the trials in 2 days. I blame it on the teacher really, there are no books to study and just a load of different handouts everytime I go to class. What should I study and where can I get the information?

    All I know is that we are doing:
    Frankenstein and Blade Runner
    Hamlet
    the 50th gate (not going to be tested on just yet)

    I've read Hamlet and kind of get the themes of the book.

    Again, I blame the teacher (and syllabus) for everything as I am coming 1st in all of my other subjects.
    Oh and to add, year 11 was a fun year for me, never opened a book since I was told nothing will be testing from yr11 in yr12. This 1st position was the result of really tremendous work and cramming to get there.

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by iamorbid View Post
    I know that I will be thought of as lazy and careless but i know NOTHING of English Advanced and have the trials in 2 days. I blame it on the teacher really, there are no books to study and just a load of different handouts everytime I go to class. What should I study and where can I get the information?

    All I know is that we are doing:
    Frankenstein and Blade Runner
    Hamlet
    the 50th gate (not going to be tested on just yet)

    I've read Hamlet and kind of get the themes of the book.

    Again, I blame the teacher (and syllabus) for everything as I am coming 1st in all of my other subjects.
    Oh and to add, year 11 was a fun year for me, never opened a book since I was told nothing will be testing from yr11 in yr12. This 1st position was the result of really tremendous work and cramming to get there.
    There's multiple sources through which you could have formulated your own analysis. It's your own fault really.
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Have the independence to go out and study for yourself. It's Year 12; the teacher isn't going to spoon feed information to you. It's not the syllabus' fault, thousands of kids do well every year with the same syllabus. It generally starts with yourself, and what you've put in.
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by VegemiteLoverGB View Post
    Have the independence to go out and study for yourself. It's Year 12; the teacher isn't going to spoon feed information to you. It's not the syllabus' fault, thousands of kids do well every year with the same syllabus. It generally starts with yourself, and what you've put in.
    study what?..I can get lists and books on techniques and whatnot but there won't be any structure to my understanding, don't blame me for having an awful teacher

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    But isn't it your responsibility to fix the issue months earlier and not two days before your trials?

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by asdfqwerty View Post
    But isn't it your responsibility to fix the issue months earlier and not two days before your trials?
    Well I really care about my HSC and the whole class has been underperforming in English so I guess the markers will get a hint of the quality of teaching. How did you fix the issue
    , 'I hate Advanced English.'?

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    How are you even in advanced without opening a book O_O.
    Anyway no point of the blame game just start studying! There are plenty of resources online and you should ask your peers for help.
    Pretty much 37 hours to go, you can do it!

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunes View Post
    How are you even in advanced without opening a book O_O.
    Anyway no point of the blame game just start studying! There are plenty of resources online and you should ask your peers for help.
    Pretty much 37 hours to go, you can do it!
    partly because there aint any for this course; as I mentioned earlier most of the class is doing bad (40-70)

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    High five mate. I'm as screwed as you are xD, well for physics that is. Your english teacher is exactly the same as my phys teach. Handouts, handouts, handouts--doesn't even know the stuff she's supposed to be teaching.

    Well anyways, try looking in the resources section for what people wrote in their essays. Helped me a lot for Romulus. Just add whatever you know as well and don't plagiarise.

    Oh there's also many books and study guides for the various texts in adv. english. Just look around in the newsagencies and book stores. Good luck to us both! Currently writing my terrible essays ahahahhahaha
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    I'd appreciate it if you give me links, tips or attachments relevant to my situation and not repeating the same thing over and over that I should have made an effort to get the stuff I need elsewhere.

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    For Hamlet: Get your theme, get your quote, get a technique. This is probably all I can suggest 2 days before.

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Thank you kind mod, will go through them to get a better idea of the themes. Was looking for something more 'authentic' though, not comments on text, something with facts and stuff I should understand for year 12, more of a checklist I should go through and learn everything I should (like language techniques, camera techniques and the meaning created by them/how they interrelate)

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by avro View Post
    For Hamlet: Get your theme, get your quote, get a technique. This is probably all I can suggest 2 days before.
    I know I will not achieve my full potential for this exam but I'll try my best, just getting prepared with info for the next exam..the big one

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by iamorbid View Post
    Thank you kind mod, will go through them to get a better idea of the themes. Was looking for something more 'authentic' though, not comments on text, something with facts and stuff I should understand for year 12, more of a checklist I should go through and learn everything I should (like language techniques, camera techniques and the meaning created by them/how they interrelate)
    The resource section will have more of that sort of stuff. There are also general threads on the topics as well, which you can find in their specific subforum:

    http://community.boredofstudies.org/...play.php?f=828

    http://community.boredofstudies.org/...play.php?f=829
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by iamorbid View Post
    Thank you kind mod, will go through them to get a better idea of the themes. Was looking for something more 'authentic' though, not comments on text, something with facts and stuff I should understand for year 12, more of a checklist I should go through and learn everything I should (like language techniques, camera techniques and the meaning created by them/how they interrelate)
    What you're looking for will most definitely need to be paid for (e.g. excel). Not often is there notes in that format that is completely free. If there is, it'd most likely be in sparknotes and the resource section which zero has already linked you to. ctrl/cmd-f is your friend there.

    Else, go out and buy study guides and revise in a month books, and hopefully you can find some pertinent to your texts and that you are able to learn everything by monday.
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    If I was in your position, I'm pretty sure I would die out of nowhere.
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Dat logic.
    This late in the year, you can't point the blame at anyone but yourself.
    If you were aware of the issue since the beginning of year 12, then it was your responsibility to do extra work outside of class and mend the issues yourself. That's what would set you apart from the rest of your class. The fact that you're in the exact same boat as them shows that you've got the exact same mindset - which I deduce is not a positive, nor active one.
    I don't mean to be disparaging, but it's the simple truth.

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by Sore Abs View Post
    Dat logic.
    This late in the year, you can't point the blame at anyone but yourself.
    If you were aware of the issue since the beginning of year 12, then it was your responsibility to do extra work outside of class and mend the issues yourself. That's what would set you apart from the rest of your class. The fact that you're in the exact same boat as them shows that you've got the exact same mindset - which I deduce is not a positive, nor active one.
    I don't mean to be disparaging, but it's the simple truth.
    Break my pate across? Pluck off my beard and blow it in my face? Tweak me by the nose? Give me the lie i' th' throat as deep as to the lungs? Who does me this?
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    I can empathise since my chemistry knew absolutely nothing about chemistry and taught us only out of these booklets she prepared, but ended up not teaching whole segments. But I noticed that I couldn't do the questions, my grades were terrible so I got a tutor. And the same with studies of religion, my teacher refused to teach us, and only gave us handouts to summarise ourselves since she thought that would be better 'learning', so I did my own research and compiled notes from here and taught the course to myself and my friends so I'd understand it better. The point of this ramble is that, there are heaps of students with shit teachers, but you really got to have the drive to be resourceful and find other ways of learning, even though it should be your teachers job to do that.

    And some advice for Hamlet, know your themes, have about 6 quotes to back each up, analyse them for techniques, then link the techniques back to theme. Also, it's imperative that you give your opinion on the text using some kind of scholarly resource, iirc. For the 50th Gate, have a thesis, weave your themes into it, have quotes to back the theme up, and techniques explaining it. Also, to cut the chase, essentially the markers want you to come to the conclusion that you need history AND memory equally to work together to paint the most accurate picture of a historical event since they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

    And some final advice for Advanced English, the markers love structure. I always used a scaffold which had an introduction, 2 paragraphs for each theme, an opening/linking sentence for each paragraph, followed by quotes and techniques and a clincher and at the end a strong conclusion that only reiterates what I said throughout the essay.
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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Quote Originally Posted by plasticities View Post
    I can empathise since my chemistry knew absolutely nothing about chemistry and taught us only out of these booklets she prepared, but ended up not teaching whole segments. But I noticed that I couldn't do the questions, my grades were terrible so I got a tutor. And the same with studies of religion, my teacher refused to teach us, and only gave us handouts to summarise ourselves since she thought that would be better 'learning', so I did my own research and compiled notes from here and taught the course to myself and my friends so I'd understand it better. The point of this ramble is that, there are heaps of students with shit teachers, but you really got to have the drive to be resourceful and find other ways of learning, even though it should be your teachers job to do that.

    And some advice for Hamlet, know your themes, have about 6 quotes to back each up, analyse them for techniques, then link the techniques back to theme. Also, it's imperative that you give your opinion on the text using some kind of scholarly resource, iirc. For the 50th Gate, have a thesis, weave your themes into it, have quotes to back the theme up, and techniques explaining it. Also, to cut the chase, essentially the markers want you to come to the conclusion that you need history AND memory equally to work together to paint the most accurate picture of a historical event since they both have their advantages and disadvantages.

    And some final advice for Advanced English, the markers love structure. I always used a scaffold which had an introduction, 2 paragraphs for each theme, an opening/linking sentence for each paragraph, followed by quotes and techniques and a clincher and at the end a strong conclusion that only reiterates what I said throughout the essay.
    Seems to me there are no qualifications for teaching anymore. What I know so far is that I need a language technique (know nothing of since we did them in yr11), quote, link back to question, and a theme for each paragraph. Right?

    What do you mean by a 'scholarly resource'? What one did you use for Hamlet?

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE ABOUT THIS WEBSITE?the information in the advanced english section is outdated!!! ugghhh can someone plz check the new texts and update.

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    I suggest that you start on your Area of Study. Considering the exam is tomorrow, I hope you have at least 2 related texts. They may ask you about belonging about your two related text. I don't know the likeliness of this occurring but I would want to be prepared. If you have your past essays and your feedback on it, edit your mistakes and add to it. You have tomorrow to fix your notes for Paper 2 but for now, I suggest you work on Paper 1.

    I wouldn't worry so much on unseen texts, just remember all of your techniques. Fix up your essay on Belonging as well as having separate notes on the prescribed text. If you have poems like I do, I would suggest writing notes on each poem as you won't be able to predict what poem they might use. Though this is rare, there is still possibility of it happening. I suggest you start now.

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    Re: English Advanced trials help

    Have they every asked for a prescribed text and TWO related text for Paper 1, Section III, Question 3?

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