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    Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Considering teaching as a career (secondary). Is the job market really as bad as it's made out to be?
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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Mostly if u do history arts music etc then yes, tho u are male and will help u cuz it's 30/70. Even if u dont get Job here u can easily go overseas



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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    I''ve heard that they're introducing a mandatory band 6 in english and the subject you want to teach to be qualified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathew587 View Post
    I''ve heard that they're introducing a mandatory band 6 in english and the subject you want to teach to be qualified?
    Minimum Band 6 in English is way too harsh if that's true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolmias View Post
    Minimum Band 6 in English is way too harsh if that's true
    Improve teaching standards = Less Supply = More Demand = $$ = Teachers get better reputation = Every asian becomes teacher = Med is the new arts degree
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    Quote Originally Posted by si2136 View Post
    Improve teaching standards = Less Supply = More Demand = $$ = Teachers get better reputation = Every asian becomes teacher = Med is the new arts degree
    Still doesn't account for the tons of recent grads who still haven't found work......
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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    I hear even maths teachers have difficulty in finding work as maths teachers in Sydney. But rural iirc has much better opportunities.
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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolmias View Post
    Minimum Band 6 in English is way too harsh if that's true
    If it means higher quality of teachers overall and Australia's academic quality goes up compared to the world, then it's worth it.
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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4025808 View Post
    I hear even maths teachers have difficulty in finding work as maths teachers in Sydney. But rural iirc has much better opportunities.

    HA HAHAHAHHAHAH AHHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAH

    my school has been struggling to find a maths teacher for 2 whole terms
    and as a y12 in a selective school that is v sad

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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4025808 View Post
    I hear even maths teachers have difficulty in finding work as maths teachers in Sydney. But rural iirc has much better opportunities.
    Wot...i thought they were in demand

    however i'm quite sure that when uni students graduate they are more likely to end up being a casual as opposed to a temp teacher

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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Well, yes and no. As you can read in newspapers and whirlpool forums, there is an oversupply of teacher graduates--40,000 are pumped out of universities per year in NSW. Nonetheless, teaching is a very practical option compared to (say) an arts degree. Teachers can find work not just as school teachers but part-time work as education officers in museums, trainers (sometimes with a Cert IV rather than Ed degree), L & D roles at companies (teaching highly regarded), education recruitment companies/HR (teaching quals viewed favourably), tutors (part-time) and tutoring centre managers. These are all options with decent demand that are not as easy to access with just an arts degree such as English or History. That being said quite a few of these options--tutoring especially--cannot ever provide more than a very part-time income. The same can be true of roles at not-for-profits that can be accessed by basically anyone with an undergraduate degree interested in the organisation's mission. So although teaching will never make a fortune and may be hard to get more than casual or temporary work, nonetheless there is always some amount of work. Moreover, the real work of teaching and tutoring face-to-face is unlikely to ever be completely automated. By contrast, some roles--such as rudimentary legal work and accounting--may well be automated before school teaching ever will be. So for this reason teaching remains an option to be respected.
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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Dream on. It's a mandatory Band 5 in English and a range of subjects to be taught.

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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    So can anyone shed some light on this? What's the market like? For what I know, maths and science teachers (specially physics) are in demand.

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    Re: Is the teaching job market really that bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGas View Post
    So can anyone shed some light on this? What's the market like? For what I know, maths and science teachers (specially physics) are in demand.
    u can get a guaranteed job teaching in SE Asia as long as ur white



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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMx View Post
    u can get a guaranteed job teaching in SE Asia as long as ur white
    With a tertiary education. However, it doesn't matter what degree you have, as long as you've been to university.

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    u can get a guaranteed job teaching in SE Asia as long as ur white
    How do you know this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolmias View Post
    I just finished an internship in china, they specificially stated the wanted native speakers from English countries (us/aus/nz/uk etc) and for them to be white (or black if from america) cause the students admire the foreign teachers much more than the locals - even if their English might be really good. Its just the mindset of foreign = exotic



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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMx View Post
    I just finished an internship in china, they specificially stated the wanted native speakers from English countries (us/aus/nz/uk etc) and for them to be white (or black if from america) cause the students admire the foreign teachers much more than the locals - even if their English might be really good. Its just the mindset of foreign = exotic
    Stupid Chinese - have no confidence in themselves and look down on themselves. I'm sure I can teach them English better than a lot of these so-called native speakers of English, teaching in China, who invariably are weak in spelling, grammar, punctuation etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drongoski View Post
    Stupid Chinese - have no confidence in themselves. I'm sure I can teach them English better than a lot of these so-called native speakers of English, who invariably are weak in spelling, grammar, punctuation etc.
    yeah the grammar and stuff was the hardest to teach LOL - u just know how to naturally use them while other there they learn all the specific rules attached to each grammar thing

    literally they accepted anyone who had a degree, the only real requirement was to be native



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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMx View Post
    I just finished an internship in china, they specificially stated the wanted native speakers from English countries (us/aus/nz/uk etc) and for them to be white (or black if from america) cause the students admire the foreign teachers much more than the locals - even if their English might be really good. Its just the mindset of foreign = exotic
    They partly explains the reason why my job applications got rejected in the last minute in South East Asian countries i.e Japan and Korea.

    I was always of the firm belief that white were preferred over Asians especially in subjects like English (whether be Australian born asians, American born Asians). And yes guys, I am an Asian born Australian as well.
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    Anyway it has always been a dream of mine to work and teach English in an Asian setting. Countries like Japan, Korea, China ,would be on the top of my bucket list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidgoes4wce View Post
    Anyway it has always been a dream of mine to work and teach English in an Asian setting. Countries like Japan, Korea, China ,would be on the top of my bucket list.
    Yeah that would be nice, but how hard would it be to find a relationship there and start new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidgoes4wce View Post
    They partly explains the reason why my job applications got rejected in the last minute in South East Asian countries i.e Japan and Korea.
    No - they ain't Southeast Asian countries. The following are: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore
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