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    Question Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Hi, I am currently in Year 11 and I do the following subjects:
    • Software Design
    • Modern History
    • Economics
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    • Advanced Maths
    • Extension 1 Maths
    • Business Studies


    I am aiming to go to either the University of Sydney or UNSW and was planning to do a combined Software Engineering/ Commerce degree.
    I am not the best at extension maths but I think I have the ability to do decent.
    Should I keep it or drop it to achieve this course? Some say scaling will help me but i'm quite busy and don't know if I have the commitment required for Extension 1.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    You don't really need it for SE or Comm. But for traditional fields of Engineering (Civil, Electrical etc.), you do.

    EDIT: I'm wrong for all types of engineering. But stay firm for Commerce.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Do whatever you want.

    Any assumed knowledge from high school courses can be easily self-taught before you begin university.

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amleops View Post
    Do whatever you want.

    Any assumed knowledge from high school courses can be easily self-taught before you begin university.
    I don't believe this, especially for Engineering and Mathematics.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    From 2018 onwards 2u math will be assumed for most degrees in usyd so be vary of that.
    I've asked the same question as well and the consensus was keep it till u think it's best to drop. Keep in mind that in uni you'll do math higher than 3u so if you're dropping because you think it's hard then you might wanna rethink. 3u does end up taking quite a lot of your time, depending on your ability, but your subjects look pretty good so as long as you work hard and don't burn out, you will do well.
    Also start tutoring for 3u if you haven't already so that you're not like me and having to put in more effort to learn new topics.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amleops View Post
    Do whatever you want.

    Any assumed knowledge from high school courses can be easily self-taught before you begin university.
    I wouldn't say easily taught and you'll definitely need to do a lot of catching up in uni.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    I would recommend to keep Mathematics Extension 1.

    In software engineering, you'll be sure to encounter maths in your programming courses, for example, in reading proofs for time complexities of algorithms and whatnot. Without the mathematical maturity, you might stumble over even the shortest proofs that lecturers flash at you in their slides. It's a huge advantage to be able to quickly comprehend notation and understand mathematical arguments.

    Also, B. Engineering (Software) requires you to complete the following first year maths units (source):
    - MATH1001 Differential Calculus
    - MATH1002 Linear Algebra
    - MATH1003 Integral Calculus and Modelling
    - MATH1005 Statistics

    Now according to USYD junior maths enrolment advice, the above are actually geared towards 3U students. MATH1003 and MATH1005 includes 3U content, such as 3U integration techniques, permutation and combinations, binomial probability, et cetera. Thus keeping MX1 would be an obvious advantage in preparing for uni.

    Apart from that, depending on what you plan to major in Commerce, maths may come useful at some point.

    Edit: Also, just noticed that there is a compulsory second-year maths unit that acts as a pre-requisite to at least one of your computer science units:

    - MATH2069 Discrete Mathematics and Graph Theory

    Capitalising on your opportunities to improve on maths at the moment (namely doing 3U) would definitely help in not just these maths units, but in your entire degree in general.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by si2136 View Post
    I don't believe this, especially for Engineering and Mathematics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathew587 View Post
    I wouldn't say easily taught and you'll definitely need to do a lot of catching up in uni.
    It's really not that difficult. There are plenty of books and MOOC's out there to guide you.

    And you have over three months between the end of school and the start of uni to teach yourself the material. More than enough time.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amleops View Post
    It's really not that difficult. There are plenty of books and MOOC's out there to guide you.

    And you have over three months between the end of school and the start of uni to teach yourself the material. More than enough time.
    it's more the fact that you need to have the ability to understand concepts in extension 1 math

    OP i would highly recommend that you do do extension 1 math if you want to pursue any branch of engineering
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    in fact extension 1 math is more relevant than software design
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squar3root View Post
    it's more the fact that you need to have the ability to understand concepts in extension 1 math
    Of course. I think the OP's problem was more to do with time management rather than ability though.

    Certainly learning Extension Maths at school will mean you don't have to worry about it later down the track, but if the study commitment ends up impacting negatively on his performance overall, he shouldn't feel guilty about dropping it if he wanted to. There are other options.

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amleops View Post
    Of course. I think the OP's problem was more to do with time management rather than ability though.

    Certainly learning Extension Maths at school will mean you don't have to worry about it later down the track, but if the study commitment ends up impacting negatively on his performance overall, he shouldn't feel guilty about dropping it if he wanted to. There are other options.
    if OP wants to do an engineering related field, s/he should be able to easily manage 1extra unit when it comes to year 11. at the start of year 12 s/he can drop 1 subject and have 11units total which is very manageable for HSC
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    I have not read most of the posts above. But @op can consider dropping Modern or Business Studies. But must not drop Maths Ext 1, whether or not the unis say you need it. Without at least Ext 1 you are going to be seriously handicapped when you do Engineering or Software Engg. Do you think you are smart enough to bridge the gap if you drop MX1 by self-study??

    Get your priorities right.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squar3root View Post
    if OP wants to do an engineering related field, s/he should be able to easily manage 1extra unit when it comes to year 11. at the start of year 12 s/he can drop 1 subject and have 11units total which is very manageable for HSC
    Perhaps, but we can't make assumptions about the OP's personal circumstances.

    I still maintain that self-study is a viable option.

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    OP make sure you're taking your advice from the people who have actually experienced uni.

    Personally, I'd recommend taking X1. If you don't, I'd recommend a bridging course during the summer before uni starts. It's not impossible to go without it, but the X1 stuff they go through for revision they tend to fly through. Off the top of my head, relevant X1 maths for first semester is: curve sketching; trig identities & functions; parametric & implicit differentiation; and the binomial theorem.

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Thanks for all the replies.
    I have gathered that in pursuing a combined software/ commerce degree I should keep X1. The problem with me is time and effort. Im alright at maths but not the best and already have a tutor for 3 unit. It will be hard for me to dedicate countless hours to extension as I have a really busy schedule.

    Still recommend I keep it and try to work through?

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanevo View Post
    Thanks for all the replies.
    I have gathered that in pursuing a combined software/ commerce degree I should keep X1. The problem with me is time and effort. Im alright at maths but not the best and already have a tutor for 3 unit. It will be hard for me to dedicate countless hours to extension as I have a really busy schedule.

    Still recommend I keep it and try to work through?
    Yep. A bit of consistent effort now will save you a ton of time and stress in the first 1-2 years of uni. Especially since you have compulsory maths units that are not only based off of 3U content, but specifically geared towards HSC 3U graduates. Imagine the stress and loss of time when you finally get up to uni, and realise that you have to enrol into those units. [1]

    But if you really feel like that not doing 3U is better for you in the long term, you can always teach yourself the theory and/or take a bridging course. It's up to how you see the costs and benefits of doing HSC 3U.

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by ethanevo View Post
    Thanks for all the replies.
    I have gathered that in pursuing a combined software/ commerce degree I should keep X1. The problem with me is time and effort. Im alright at maths but not the best and already have a tutor for 3 unit. It will be hard for me to dedicate countless hours to extension as I have a really busy schedule.

    Still recommend I keep it and try to work through?
    Can you not drop one of your other subjects to make time for you MX1? Of what use or relevance is Modern History to you for your Software Engineering? In my view. a background in Eco is more important than a background in Business Studies. Since you are already doing Eco, you can also have the option of dropping Business Studies.

    I'm not saying History is not useful or not interesting. 9 out of 10 people I know have an interest in history of various areas later in life; natural curiosity we all have. But whether or not you have studied it in high school, you can always read up on your own years later, as long as you have some intellect. But that would be a lot harder for Maths or Chemistry or Physics, not saying it is impossible.
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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drongoski View Post
    Can you not drop one of your other subjects to make time for you MX1? Of what use or relevance is Modern History to you for your Software Engineering? In my view. a background in Eco is more important than a background in Business Studies. Since you are already doing Eco, you can also have the option of dropping Business Studies.

    I'm not saying History is not useful or not interesting. 9 out of 10 people I know have an interest in history of various areas later in life; natural curiosity we all have. But whether or not you have studied it in high school, you can always read up on your own years later, as long as you have some intellect. But that would be a lot harder for Maths or Chemistry or Physics, not saying it is impossible.
    The minimum for Year 11 is 12 units. I currently have 13 units with extension maths acting as 1 unit and all other subjects as 2 units. I cant drop any subject besides maths extension until year 12

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    Re: Do I need Extension 1 Maths?

    OK. Then I'd encourage you keep your MX1 - for your own sake, unless you do not propose to pursue Software Engg. If you are finding your MX1 takes up too much of your time you may have to see if you are approaching it right. It is not the scaling of MX1 that I particularly care about; it is that you will need it to be able to handle any Engineering course, including Software Engg.

    If you like, I'd be happy to spend a couple of hours with you, at no charge, to see if you can learn your MX1 more efficiently . I realise you have a MX1 tutor; it does not matter - I have lots of experience and I don't need his job.
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