Religious affiliation

**chookyn** · 26 Oct 2004, 2:52 AM

18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. 19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve gems: the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst. 21 The twelve gates were made of pearls – each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

Revelation 21:18-21, last book in Bible

i think this particular part is describing what is known as the New Jerusalem... God's heavenly kingdom coming to the new earth after people have been in heaven for 1000years.

23 And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light. 24 The nations of the earth will walk in its light, and the rulers of the world will come and bring their glory to it. 25 Its gates never close at the end of day because there is no night. 26 And all the nations will bring their glory and honor into the city. 27 Nothing evil will be allowed to enter – no one who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty – but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Rev 22 gets even more exciting, its the very last chapter

**Paz** · 26 Oct 2004, 10:22 AM

Chookyn, do you believe that Chrisitianity is the only true religion? i.e do you denounce all other religions that are seemingly in contravention with Christianity?

**Doogsy** · 26 Oct 2004, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by chookyn

for non-believers, earth is the only heaven they'll know

for believers, earth is the only hell they'll know

In this statement what you are saying is that Earth sucks. It is the worst place possibly imaginable. If there is a heaven waiting for us, why should we ensure Earth's beauty is maintained, if its the scumhole of all gods creation?

**waterfowl** · 26 Oct 2004, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by Doogsy

In this statement what you are saying is that Earth sucks. It is the worst place possibly imaginable. If there is a heaven waiting for us, why should we ensure Earth's beauty is maintained, if its the scumhole of all gods creation?

I think what they were saying is that when comparing Earth to Heaven, it isn't that great.

**thejosiekiller** · 26 Oct 2004, 8:39 PM

thats a bit of a stupid statement in my opinion

i dont know all about god, but i think there is something beyond

plus i doubt if u idolise the right/wrong religion you will not be allowed into heaven (if there is such a place)...im sorry i hate that when religions get compared because in the end if there is a god he loves everyone and not just the people who worship him

in the end i dont think it is the place of humen beings to know anything about god or the afterlife, all we can do is imagine....and depsite what any bible, torah or koran says i dont buy it- they are good moral guides filled with stories, but sometimes people forget what its all about

no1 has the answers in my opinion

**neo o** · 26 Oct 2004, 9:12 PM

Originally Posted by Asquithian

define heaven? Heaven is different for everyone...proves that it is only a construction of your mind

How can you be so sure that heaven is different for everyone?

**thejosiekiller** · 26 Oct 2004, 9:18 PM

i think he is saying that people hold different expectations

some people believe that heaven is a paradise with 70 virgins- which some poeple laugh at..........for others heaven is playing air hockey against hendrix

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 12:21 PM

i urge you to jump into your toilet then

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 12:46 PM

lol damnit that would have been a leap of faith like none the other

**Sophie777** · 27 Oct 2004, 12:51 PM

I am agnostic. I don't believe in God. And anyway, I think if he exists, he's a pussy.

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 12:54 PM

how can u say ur agnostic if u dont believe in god??

im agnostic and i think ur confused as to what it means to be agnostic

**Sophie777** · 27 Oct 2004, 12:59 PM

Lucky I don't care what you think.

I don't believe in the christian God, God of islam or any other God of organised religion. But, I am unsure as to whether something created the world.

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:08 PM

that means u have no belief

u either acknowledge god exists somewhere or u dont

and dont get offended just because ur confused about being an atheist- religion is suited for every1, but dont preach it is my opinion if ur wrong

ie dont say its impossoble for him to exist then question who created the world, thats confusing to other ppl

**Sophie777** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:11 PM

Are you not reading what I am saying?

Your God does not exist, the God in the bible does not exist.

But something created the world. I am actually not at all insulted by you callling me an atheist, I would rather be that with actual facts than just blindly follow something and be unable to prove as to why.

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:20 PM

firstly i dont believe in the god in the bible- im agnostic

i have my own perceptions about what god is and the purpose of life

second im annoyed because ur saying ur agnostic, while clearly having irrelevant ideas about life.

yes organised religion is stupid, but dont get sidetracked

**Sophie777** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:25 PM

You are a moron. Stop thinking you are smart. Stop defining the word agnostic so that you don't have to face the real issues. I am not wasting my time on arguing with you any longer as all you use are useless assumptions of your own beliefs without giving any statement or evidence as to God existence.

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:34 PM

i dont think im pretending to have all the answers for every1 when i say every1 has their own perceptions. this is my belief

just because u cant even understand a simple notion like being agnostic dont bshit every1

**Sophie777** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:40 PM

Oh. Right. So this is where your argument lies? In whether I understand the meaning of being agnostic. I am unsure. And, I will have you know that I would rather worship Satan than ever have a conversation with you in real life. YOu don't listen, you come back with the same things everytime and you are criticising my misunderstanding of a term? For what reason? How does this matter to you? I will now call myself unsure?

"An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time. "

Oh my, Josiekiller. I think we may have come across something.... YOU ARE NOT AGNOSTIC. you claim there is a God, agnostics claim that nobody can know the truth. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH...!!!!

http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E...l/agnostic.htm

**timrie6** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:44 PM

maybe you guys should agree to disagree
people of differing religious beliefs won't have much luck changing the other's mind in my experience

**timrie6** · 27 Oct 2004, 1:45 PM

I would rather worship Satan than ever have a conversation with you in real life

cmon, that was a bit harsh, josiekiller is awesome to talk to.

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 2:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sophie777

Oh. Right. So this is where your argument lies? In whether I understand the meaning of being agnostic. I am unsure. And, I will have you know that I would rather worship Satan than ever have a conversation with you in real life. YOu don't listen, you come back with the same things everytime and you are criticising my misunderstanding of a term? For what reason? How does this matter to you? I will now call myself unsure?

"An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as God and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present time. "

Oh my, Josiekiller. I think we may have come across something.... YOU ARE NOT AGNOSTIC. you claim there is a God, agnostics claim that nobody can know the truth. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH...!!!!

http://www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E...l/agnostic.htm

ok im sorry i have to repeat things so u understand- but being a bitch about it doesnt make me contemplate my ideas about life. my perceptions r my own

how do u know what i percieve as god? do u think i see him as a man with a white beard or a woman- or an energy field or anything???? i see him as something beyond human understanding, cause the defintion u gave backs me up............how can u be so stupid as to post that and say im wrong when its what ive been going on about? r u that think?

and im glad i wouldnt wanna talk to u either cause u clearly have no idea whatsoever - it sounds like ull never be pleased
the idea ignorance is bliss is all u have, whether u can understand that or not

god doesnt exist oh well ill keep on doing my thing

you go to a long extent to try and say im wrong, but all uve done is go on a rant about life having no meaning without proof

**soha** · 27 Oct 2004, 2:29 PM

i am muslim because i was born into that faith
but when i got older i started to question my faith...as most people do..
and found after serious studies of christianity and judiasm and other religons like buddism and hinduism islam was the one..
islam is a way of life..
and its soo beautiful and people should look into it
despite the stuff going on in the world..with "terrorism" and everything
you cant judge a religon by its followers..because they not always setting the perfect example of islam
and even after september 11 in america alone 40 000 people converted to islam a year..
its the fastest growing religon in the world and its estimated by the year 2050 there will be 100 million muslims in america who has a current population of 270 million...
its obviously worth looking into just for the sake of knowledge..

**Sophie777** · 27 Oct 2004, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by thejosiekiller

ok im sorry i have to repeat things so u understand- but being a bitch about it doesnt make me contemplate my ideas about life. my perceptions r my own

how do u know what i percieve as god? do u think i see him as a man with a white beard or a woman- or an energy field or anything???? i see him as something beyond human understanding, cause the defintion u gave backs me up............how can u be so stupid as to post that and say im wrong when its what ive been going on about? r u that think?

and im glad i wouldnt wanna talk to u either cause u clearly have no idea whatsoever - it sounds like ull never be pleased
the idea ignorance is bliss is all u have, whether u can understand that or not

god doesnt exist oh well ill keep on doing my thing

you go to a long extent to try and say im wrong, but all uve done is go on a rant about life having no meaning without proof

I don't believe God doesn't exist and I don't believe he does. How could I know either way. It is unreasonable for you to claim his existence in a world with no proof either way. You claim you are agnostic and that I misunderstand the term whilst you passionately defend the existence of God. It seems very obvious to me that it is in fact you that misunderstands the term. I have no idea whether there is God but there is certainly more evidence as to him not existing than there is to him existing.

YOu are right, you have to have faith to believe.
I don't, I have logic and science and neither of these co-exist with religious beliefs.
You can't argue your way into presenting logic as to why God exists and I can't possibly convince you he doesn't as you are far too set in your ways and the feeling you have of some presence with God can't be taken from you even if it is only in your mind.

This argument is useless.

**thejosiekiller** · 27 Oct 2004, 3:04 PM

forget this argument its uselss- ur right

u have ur beliefs i have mine- thats the end of this stupid argument

**ahmad** · 27 Oct 2004, 11:32 PM

i just wanna know from a person who has no beliefs.................

How do you people explain unnatural phenomenon..............like magic, witchcraft etc.

how does this support you ideas and perspectives

i cant look at it in your way cause i have got religious beliefs