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    Black man files taxes early.

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    Re: Trayvon Martin

    anti-racist mathematics

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    The issue of anti-racism in mathematics teaching has been the topic of some research works, who promote an anti-bias curriculum to counter a perceived bias in mathematical education.[citation needed]. These works claim that there is a sociocultural context to mathematical education and suggest that the study of mathematics in Western societies has traditionally exhibited racial or cultural bias.[citation needed]

    While 'anti-racist mathematics' and 'ethnomathematics' scholars share the assumption that any given mathematical understanding or practice is a product of a particular culture, the forms of their scholarship differ considerably, and they should not be confused with one another.[citation needed]
    dont hate babies. they need to learn, they dont know what to do.

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    Another day passes, another part of the case against zimmerman collapses

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/16...#ixzz1v6xiAt28

    http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/ne...s-3300881.html

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    i'd punch someone too if they were harassing/following me
    trayvon being harassed and defending himself>zimmerman defends himself from being defended against
    manslaughter

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    Wait how do u know trayvon was being harassed?

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    776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: ....

    (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

    (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
    (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

    given the severity of zimmerman's injuries, he was most likely within his rights to use deadly force against trayvon

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    Quote Originally Posted by derrick rose View Post
    i'd punch someone too if they were harassing/following me
    trayvon being harassed and defending himself>zimmerman defends himself from being defended against
    manslaughter
    There is no evidence to support him being "harassed".

    More importantly, there is no evidence to suggest Martin was in any kind of danger. Beating the shit out of someone who is following you, especially, if as Zimmerman claims, martin got away from him, is not legally defensible.

    What's more likely though? A weak, white collar, neighbourhood watch officer goes nuts and starts harassing a kid with a gun

    or

    A young black male (highest per capita rate of violent crime in america) who calls himself NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, poses with 'grill' and other gang-related imagery, punched a bus driver, was suspended from school multiple times, was a drug dealer, and who may have been involved in fight clubs decided to teach some cracker a lesson for following him around.

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    AND WHO MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN FIGHT CLUBS

    I think your stupid is showing

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    we don't know if he was involved in fight club because the first rule of fight club is





    no blacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolsmith View Post
    AND WHO MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN FIGHT CLUBS

    I think your stupid is showing
    I'm not making it up, if that's what you're suggesting.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...yvon-referees/

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    Re: Trayvon Martin

    You must be pretty embarrassed right about now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    There is no evidence to support him being "harassed".

    More importantly, there is no evidence to suggest Martin was in any kind of danger. Beating the shit out of someone who is following you, especially, if as Zimmerman claims, martin got away from him, is not legally defensible.

    What's more likely though? A weak, white collar, neighbourhood watch officer goes nuts and starts harassing a kid with a gun

    or

    A young black male (highest per capita rate of violent crime in america) who calls himself NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, poses with 'grill' and other gang-related imagery, punched a bus driver, was suspended from school multiple times, was a drug dealer, and who may have been involved in fight clubs decided to teach some cracker a lesson for following him around.
    How did the two come to blows then?

    He was following Trayvon. He is on record saying "these assholes, they always get away.", then "he ran.".

    During this time, Trayvon was on the phone to his girlfriend who alleges "that he expressed concern about a strange man following him, and she advised him to run. She says she heard Martin say "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding "What are you doing here?" She said that she heard the sound of pushing and that Martin's headset suddenly went silent, leading her to believe that he had been pushed. She attempted to call him back immediately, but was unable to reach him.". Now this will be the deciding factor in this case. Who initiated the violence during this controntation? It will be difficult to find out because on of the witnesses is dead.

    But that sure sounds like he was being harassed. He was a teenager being shadowed by a car at night, i doubt many people can blame him for being intimidated. He was then approached by the person who was following him and confronted. He was well within his rights to feel threatened and defend himself if he was pushed, as the prosecution is alleging.

    Zimmerman scared a kid and confronted him, when he started losing the altercation which he initiated, he pulled a gun and shot the teenager.

    Sorry bro you might hate blacks but the evidence is on Trayvons side.

    Now i am expecting you to bring up the discovery that Trayvon had THC in his system at the time of death but can we reserve judgement until the level of THC is revealed, if it is even relevant. Zimmerman was on amphetamines at the time of the shooting, and we all know which drug is more likely to lead to the intiation of violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derrick rose View Post
    How did the two come to blows then?

    During this time, Trayvon was on the phone to his girlfriend who alleges "that he expressed concern about a strange man following him, and she advised him to run. She says she heard Martin say "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding "What are you doing here?" She said that she heard the sound of pushing and that Martin's headset suddenly went silent, leading her to believe that he had been pushed. She attempted to call him back immediately, but was unable to reach him.". Now this will be the deciding factor in this case. Who initiated the violence during this controntation? It will be difficult to find out because on of the witnesses is dead.
    Yeah except his girlfriend told him to fight him. Now that he's dead, she has every incentive to make Zimmerman look as guilty as possible.

    But that sure sounds like he was being harassed. He was a teenager being shadowed by a car at night, i doubt many people can blame him for being intimidated. He was then approached by the person who was following him and confronted. He was well within his rights to feel threatened and defend himself if he was pushed, as the prosecution is alleging.
    Cool but given the complete lack of actual witnesses, its not that certain at all.


    Zimmerman scared a kid and confronted him, when he started losing the altercation which he initiated, he pulled a gun and shot the teenager.
    There is no evidence he started an altercation. Allegedly being followed by someone in a car doesn't give you the right to beat the shit out of them.


    Now i am expecting you to bring up the discovery that Trayvon had THC in his system at the time of death but can we reserve judgement until the level of THC is revealed, if it is even relevant. Zimmerman was on amphetamines at the time of the shooting, and we all know which drug is more likely to lead to the intiation of violence.
    So zimmerman correctly guessed martin was on drugs based only on his behaviour from afar, but you don't think there were relvent levels present. Mmmkay.

    Martin WAS on drugs, considered himself a thug and has a history of violence. He is not a scared little kid.

    Martin WAS on drugs, considered himself a thug has a history of violence,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    A young black male (highest per capita rate of violent crime in america) who calls himself NO_LIMIT_NIGGA, poses with 'grill' and other gang-related imagery, punched a bus driver, was suspended from school multiple times, was a drug dealer, and who may have been involved in fight clubs decided to teach some cracker a lesson for following him around.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    I'm not making it up, if that's what you're suggesting.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...yvon-referees/
    hey so if I referee a boxing match does that make me a boxer

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    he also may be a space nazi from the dark side of the moon

    he may actually be white and then your whole attitude would change

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkshen View Post
    we don't know if he was involved in fight club because the first rule of fight club is





    no blacks
    lol.

    anyways what's happened in this case i havent heard about it in a while.
    Quote Originally Posted by muhahahahahaha View Post
    Wow same asshole as always Lolsmith, sorry not all of us are capable of shoving half of australia's food supply down our throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolsmith View Post
    hey so if I referee a boxing match does that make me a boxer
    if you're involved in underground fight clubs and consider yourself a "thug" and a NO_LIMIT_NIGGA and you beat up bus drivers, chances are you aren't the sweet little scholar you're made out to be, and chances are you're going to you violence against non-blacks who disrespect you



    Quote Originally Posted by Lolsmith View Post
    he may actually be white and then your whole attitude would change
    So you think I think that people shouldn't be able to use self-defence against white people?

    You're a fucking moron.

    And that video is pretty unambiguous. Looks like him, same tattoo, gets called by his name, posted on his youtube channel and removed after his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    if you're involved in underground fight clubs and consider yourself a "thug" and a NO_LIMIT_NIGGA and you beat up bus drivers, chances are you aren't the sweet little scholar you're made out to be, and chances are you're going to you violence against non-blacks who disrespect you
    Cool story bro let's see how that flies in court



    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    So you think I think that people shouldn't be able to use self-defence against white people?

    You're a fucking moron.

    And that video is pretty unambiguous. Looks like him, same tattoo, gets called by his name, posted on his youtube channel and removed after his death.
    Yeah so since the video has been removed I didn't actually get to watch it.

    I didn't say that. I'm sure you're a big fan of self defence but I bet you wouldn't be defending it so virulently if there wasn't a black kid involved that proves your absurdly narrow perception of race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolsmith View Post
    I didn't say that. I'm sure you're a big fan of self defence but I bet you wouldn't be defending it so virulently if there wasn't a black kid involved
    The only reason I'm defending him so virulently is because he's being attacked so relentlessly by the media and millions of "anti-racist" idiots. And the only reason that is happening is because Trayvon is black.

    If trayvon was white, the case would never had made it court, and idiots like you certainly wouldn't give two fucks about it.


    that proves your absurdly narrow perception of race.
    Now you're just pulling shit out of your arse. What the fuck does that even mean?

    The only thing I've said about race is that male black youths commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime, which is entirely true. I didn't say anything about the reasons why, or imply that it was inherently true of blacks or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    If trayvon was white, the case would never had made it court, and idiots like you certainly wouldn't give two fucks about it.
    What exactly do you base this assessment on?


    Quote Originally Posted by Debauchee View Post
    Now you're just pulling shit out of your arse. What the fuck does that even mean?

    The only thing I've said about race is that male black youths commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime, which is entirely true. I didn't say anything about the reasons why, or imply that it was inherently true of blacks or something.
    You did actually make very distinct comments on why a black kid would attack someone and that sure as shit isn't based on any evidence. You also said very specifically that is true of black people what am I reading. You said it in the preceding sentence.

    It's not difficult to discern what else you think about black people from mounting this type of attack against Martin, as opposed to defending Zimmerman on any legal grounds like funkshen has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolsmith View Post
    What exactly do you base this assessment on?
    The state attorney chose not to pursue a case against Zimmerman, remember?
    the only reason that the case went to trial is bascially because millions of people lost their shit about it, and the only reason they did that is because of "racism" and "racial profiling" (even though evidence suggests zimmerman's suspicion had little to do with race). They certainly wouldn't have acted the same if martin had been white.

    You did actually make very distinct comments on why a black kid would attack someone and that sure as shit isn't based on any evidence. You also said very specifically that is true of black people what am I reading. You said it in the preceding sentence.
    I said it was statistically more likely for a black male to attack someone than any other demographic, and I said that Martin would in particular based on his personality. Violent drug dealing blacks who consider themselves thugs are far more likely to be hostile violent against whites than any given 'normal' black.

    It's not difficult to discern what else you think about black people from mounting this type of attack against Martin, as opposed to defending Zimmerman on any legal grounds like funkshen has.
    A legal defense based on stand your ground laws only makes sense if Martin initiated the fight. People in this thread claim that he didn't, and I'm saying based on the evidence and the character of both people involved, its highly likely that martin did start the fight. If Zimmerman did, then stand your ground doesn't apply.
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    Would the pro-Zimmerman set concede that if Zimmerman confronted Martin, started the physical altercation, and shot Martin as soon as he started to lose it, that he would then be guilty of murdering the boy?

    And would the anti-Zimmerman set concede that if Martin approached Zimmerman as he was returning to his car, knocked him to the ground, started smashing his head against the pavement, and was shot as a result, that Zimmerman would not be guilty of 2nd-degree homicide?

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    Strong on Zimmerman

    Strong on the causes of Zimmerman

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