Chinese immigration real estate property scam

[soloooooo]

http://www.smh.com.au/business/world...410-1wm87.html

Twice a year, one of Beijing's largest convention venues, perched on the same east-west thoroughfare as Tiananmen Square, holds a large-scale international property fair.

The drawcard, it seems, is more than property. One booth, which advertised property from all across the Australian east coast, prominently boasted: “Invest in property; speedy migration”.

Over at the Sunland Group's booth, a sign read: “Buy Australian real estate; free migration.”

What a scam this is. Australia doesn't want immigrants where they simply buy property and get a free ride here from China. Immigration to Australia is not a commodity.

[theycallmebob]

how is this a scam?

[soloooooo]

It is a scam like the student visas scam until most of that was closed down a couple of years ago.

[Annihilist]

Why though? What's wrong with them coming to live here?

What do they have to prove in order to be eligible to live here?

[na110793]

Why though? What's wrong with them coming to live here?

What do they have to prove in order to be eligible to live here?

That they can speak the language? That they can assimilate? That they won't eat my pet dog?

[Annihilist]

That they can speak the language?

I suppose, but who would move to a country which they haven't yet learned at least a basic understanding of the language? That's just stupid.

Compulsory English classes?

That they can assimilate?

Why? How? Assimilate to what?

Can't they just be themselves?

That they won't eat my pet dog?

I highly doubt anyone would eat anything that belongs to you without your express permission.

[funkshen]

I suppose, but who would move to a country which they haven't yet learned at least a basic understanding of the language? That's just stupid.

these blokes

[Lentern]

I suppose, but who would move to a country which they haven't yet learned at least a basic understanding of the language? That's just stupid.

Compulsory English classes?

There are already waiting lists for all the TESOL courses at Tafes NSW and pivate colleges. This line that "they don't even bother to try and learn the language" which you hear bandied about by the Bronwyn Bishop's and the Andrew Bolt's of the world is absolute crap.

[Annihilist]

these blokes

I'm talking about legal immigrants, which I thought was the point of this thread.

Asylum seekers are another issue altogether, because their coming to Australia is an act of desperation.

There are already waiting lists for all the TESOL courses at Tafes NSW and private colleges. This line that "they don't even bother to try and learn the language" which you hear bandied about by the Bronwyn Bishop's and the Andrew Bolt's of the world is absolute crap.

I agree.

[soloooooo]

That they can speak the language? That they can assimilate? That they won't eat my pet dog?

This ^

[soloooooo]

There are already waiting lists for all the TESOL courses at Tafes NSW and pivate colleges. This line that "they don't even bother to try and learn the language" which you hear bandied about by the Bronwyn Bishop's and the Andrew Bolt's of the world is absolute crap.

Bronwyn Bishop is well past it, although Andrew Bolt is spot on on issues like these. Heck, we shouldn't even need to offer English classes for immigrants to Australia. If they can't speak good English then they shouldn't have been allowed to move here in the first place.

[Lentern]

Bronwyn Bishop is well past it, although Andrew Bolt is spot on on issues like these. Heck, we shouldn't even need to offer English classes for immigrants to Australia. If they can't speak good English then they shouldn't have been allowed to move here in the first place.

Convicted racist.

[SylviaB]

Convicted racist.

you are really fucking boring

[Lentern]

you are really fucking boring

Really? And I thought you were my target audience and everything.

[na110793]

There are already waiting lists for all the TESOL courses at Tafes NSW and pivate colleges. This line that "they don't even bother to try and learn the language" which you hear bandied about by the Bronwyn Bishop's and the Andrew Bolt's of the world is absolute crap.

It is not crap. Sometimes they don't understand what you are saying, even though you are speaking to them in baby English.

[na110793]

Learning a language not by immersion is pretty hard. Besides we speak AUSTRALIAN not ENGLISH.

wut

[Lolsmith]

It is not crap. Sometimes they don't understand what you are saying, even though you are speaking to them in baby English.

you are actually retarded

[soloooooo]

It is not crap. Sometimes they don't understand what you are saying, even though you are speaking to them in baby English.

I know ay.

[Lentern]

you are actually retarded

I thought about explaining the difference between what I had said and what he had said, but it's just so obvious I couldn't be bothered.

[Annihilist]

I was replying to soloooooo who wrote: "If they can't speak good English then they shouldn't have been allowed to move here in the first place." which sounds like a pretty high standard for immigrants to reach.

To be fair, you can't really expect live in a country where you can't even speak the language. Communication is pretty paramount, especially if you want a job.

I personally think it's pretty fucking stupid to move to a country where you don't speak the language. But then again, there are some pretty fucking stupid people in this world. But if you can speak the language, then I don't understand why you can't legally move to this country.

Asylum seekers, on the other hand, I would see as being a completely separate issue.

[Lolsmith]

I thought about explaining the difference between what I had said and what he had said, but it's just so obvious I couldn't be bothered.

he wouldn't understand even if you did but I applaud your efforts elsewhere of not being a cock to newcomers

[Bored_of_HSC]

To be fair, you can't really expect live in a country where you can't even speak the language. Communication is pretty paramount, especially if you want a job.

I personally think it's pretty fucking stupid to move to a country where you don't speak the language. But then again, there are some pretty fucking stupid people in this world. But if you can speak the language, then I don't understand why you can't legally move to this country.

Asylum seekers, on the other hand, I would see as being a completely separate issue.

In many ways people can still get away with only having limited knowledge of english.

It's all about who you interact with here. (influenced by who you work with ect)

[soloooooo]

I was replying to soloooooo who wrote: "If they can't speak good English then they shouldn't have been allowed to move here in the first place." which sounds like a pretty high standard for immigrants to reach.

They they shouldn't come here.

All these English language places (in Australia) that are full, I suppose the taxpayer is heavily subsidising (or even paying in full) for most of these? If they don't speak English well enough that they need to take classes here to learn it then they shouldn't have been allowed into the country on anything but a short term holiday visa (< 6 weeks).

[soloooooo]

Asylum seekers, on the other hand, I would see as being a completely separate issue.

Asylum seekers (by boat) are made out to be a big problem although they are not. Last year it was what 5000 or so that arrived on our shores? They will have little to no impact on the Australian way of life. Not a problem in the grander scheme of things.

Yet then consider how many unskilled Chinese & Indian & people from other developing countries moved here. That is where the real problem is.

[soloooooo]

In many ways people can still get away with only having limited knowledge of english.

It's all about who you interact with here. (influenced by who you work with ect)

This is another big problem. If you come from Vietnam say and move to Australia the worst thing you could do (for yourself) is to live in the Vietnamese community and only have Vietnamese friends. Many Asian immigrants fall into this trap and fail to assimilate.