Reply With QuoteBut have you noticed how muslim countries tend to be shitholes in social, cultural and economic terms, whereas secular/christian european countries tend to be among the greatest and dare I say most progressive in the world?
They will destroy french culture eventually
If whites were to do that to a non-white country, that would be the greatest injustice imaginable.
Originally Posted by moll.
But have you noticed how muslim countries tend to be shitholes in social, cultural and economic terms, whereas secular/christian european countries tend to be among the greatest and dare I say most progressive in the world?
That's possibly because Islamic countries don't have a legacy of sending in intelligence agencies to topple the most liberal and progressive leaders in the region in order to push down the cost of trade imports like Christan/Secular world did with Sukarno, like they did with Mossadegh like they did Arbenz and like they did with the Sandinistas.
oohhh the irony.
This. Absolutely fucking this.
“You want, if possible—-and there is no more insane “if possible”—-to ABOLISH SUFFERING. And we? It really seems that WE would rather have it higher and worse than ever. Well-being as you understand it—-that is no goal, that seems to us an END, a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible—-that makes his destruction DESIRABLE.”
— Nietzsche - “Beyond Good and Evil” - section 225
No it's not.
and still, muslims who move to non-muslim countries don't magically become progressive and western all of a sudden
Why would they leave their home countries then?
“You want, if possible—-and there is no more insane “if possible”—-to ABOLISH SUFFERING. And we? It really seems that WE would rather have it higher and worse than ever. Well-being as you understand it—-that is no goal, that seems to us an END, a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible—-that makes his destruction DESIRABLE.”
— Nietzsche - “Beyond Good and Evil” - section 225
Progressive is a pretty relative term and compared to the "westerners" around my grand parents house in Penrith, or around my sisters place in Rockhampton, they seem pretty bloody progressive.
stop being obtuse
dunno how you can say with a straight face that the west isn't criminally liable for the wretched state of the middle east
also dunno how you can say with a straight face that arabic muslim immigration and demographic change isn't a concern, considering the social foundations of middle eastern society are equivalent to 14th century italy
There are several reasons:
1) Better quality of life (medicare, social security, etc)
2) Part of hidden concerted campaign to take over the Western world - whenever you see a Salafist walking in the street (someone with a beard and no moustache, I've seen many in Sydney), this is someone who believes in reverting to the state of Arabia at the time of Islam's beginnings. So what you would otherwise term ludicrous now seems rather plausible.
Muslims in particular by themselves are not a big problem. It is all of the traditionally non (or less) Australian ways of life that threaten this nation (as well as France) in some shape or form.
It usually only takes 1 or 2 generations tbh
Assimilated immigrants (2nd/3rd generation etc) are good and I don't think many people would have issues with them at all. It is some of (not all of) the first generation immigrants that remain a problem though.
lol m8. I wonder how 1st gen immigrants become 2nd and 3rd hmmmmm...
fuck
Salafists have a uniform now
fuck me
Actually that depends on the attitude of the immigrants. The Australian way of life won't magically change *that much* by their mere presence; it is only if they agitate to do so.
In the case of Muslims, here is what the Quran says about "the sword" http://www.answering-islam.org/autho.../sword/05.html
Regardless of what the Koran says, the reality on the ground is that many countries with a Muslim majority are moving to Sharia law funded by Saudi Arabia and Iran. These include Algeria, Egypt, and it is quite likely Syria if Assaad falls.
that is a blanket statement. there may be exceptions. there are ways to keep oneself from following societal norms. In the past, generations of groups have remained separate from their society. It is not a hard and fast rule. There are no guarantees that protect Australia
maybe they're only the ones that appear on TV. it's not too hard for a group to present a skewed view of itself.
Sydney is not 45% Muslim. Paris is.
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Obviously I think they are repsonsible for tremendously retarding progress in the region, but there's more to it than simply that. And like I said, it doesn't change the impact of muslim immigration.
hahah, so you think muslims move to france because they love the french people/culture?
I think it's absolutely hilarious how you think christians in australia are actively stopping societal progress (as if the church has any meaningful impact on political discourse and the average aussie christian is staunchly socially conservative), and yet you think muslims, for whom actual devotion to their religion is not at all uncommon, will have no significant cultural impacts on western nations.
Arabian muslims are not more progressive than bogans you fucking lunatic.
Keyword *seem*. It's pretty obvious why they wouldn't support the Liberal Party.
If you don't get it http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/societ...123-1a16t.html
Pigs arse it is.
My anecdotal experience, living in a suburb with one of the highest Muslim populations in the nation(and an almost entirely arabic Muslim one at that) is that having grown in a diverse multicultural society they have adopted an infinitely more progressive and tolerant outlook in life then the good folk of Rockhampton or Penrith. As for Sheehan's article I find it strange frankly. Anyone who claims to follow even a modicum of Christ's message would be contently aligned with the compassionate tolerance of left of centre Australian political parties.
you really need to stop trying to rationalise christianity as being complementary to your political views
Last edited by SylviaB; 9 May 2012 at 8:29 PM.
tolerant as you think they are
they almost certainly still hate blacks
I think if you have a look at the beatitudes, you cannot contend that they are a cogent endorsement of the ideas of compassion, peace, selflessness which forms the bedrock of modern left of centre politics.
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