# Thread: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

1. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by theind1996
Mate, if you're coming 6th in a top 20 school, providing you maintain those ranks in year 12, you're easily looking at an E4/band 6 in 4u maths, so definitely choose 3u maths.
People tell me EVERYTHING changes when you hit year 11 and 12.

2. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
People tell me EVERYTHING changes when you hit year 11 and 12.
You've already experienced senior maths in the form of 2 unit. If you are capable of 2 unit ---> do 3 unit.

I don't think everything changes. Maths is about practice, practice and practice. If you can keep doing that, I don't see why your results won't be just as good. The only difference in year 11 and 12 are the added resources at your disposal e.g. past papers.

3. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
People tell me EVERYTHING changes when you hit year 11 and 12.
People say everything changes when you hit uni, then they say everything changes when you hit the workforce. Life is always changing so dont let that scare you.

4. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

You and I have a lot in common. xD I'm also in Year 10, in a ranked 20-ish school, have a similar ranking to you (lower though, ha) and a Maths accelerant. However, my class has been doing a bit of Ext 1 as well as 2 unit prelim. It's really not that hard, the only thing I found slightly difficult was the pace at which it was taught. Just do your homework/exercise for that section by the next lesson and you'll be fine, though. If you're ranked 5/150 I really think you should do it. And if you have too many units, I guess you can drop some at the end of prelim? You can think about whether or not you want to do 4 unit later, I'm not sure myself yet on that count.

5. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

I am currently doing year 11, Maths 3U. Trust me, it can be a real pain.
However, if you are willing to put up atleast 10 hours a week for studying (not homework) for maths, then you can definately ace it.
I am planning to also do 4U maths next year, a reminder................ you only choose 4U if you are getting 70% or above in your 3U exams (yearly exam)

6. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by dsor01
I am currently doing year 11, Maths 3U. Trust me, it can be a real pain.
However, if you are willing to put up atleast 10 hours a week for studying (not homework) for maths, then you can definately ace it.
I am planning to also do 4U maths next year, a reminder................ you only choose 4U if you are getting 70% or above in your 3U exams (yearly exam)
You're spending way too much time on maths for prelim. Homework should take you 1-1.5 hours a night, so you are probably spending 15-20 hours on it which is waaayyy too much. 3U shouldn't be that time consuming.

HSC only gets harder, and 4U, even more so. Also, if you want to do well in 4U, ~80% for an average prelim 3U test is a decent mark, so you should probs be aiming for that.

7. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by theind1996
You're spending way too much time on maths for prelim. Homework should take you 1-1.5 hours a night, so you are probably spending 15-20 hours on it which is waaayyy too much. 3U shouldn't be that time consuming.

HSC only gets harder, and 4U, even more so. Also, if you want to do well in 4U, ~80% for an average prelim 3U test is a decent mark, so you should probs be aiming for that.
Is year 11 content examined in the hsc or do you just build on the previous knowledge in year 12.

8. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
Is year 11 content examined in the hsc or do you just build on the previous knowledge in year 12.
From memory, the maths papers can only contain a maximum 30% prelim content. However, most of the stuff from year 12 is building on from year 11.

9. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

hey Triage... what year are you in? Are you in year 10 selecting subjects for prelims?

but yeah, general maths.. is lol. sorry. it's just year 7-10 maths, it's not even offered at my school. Plus even if you got state ranking in it you won't get a 100 HSC mark after scaling in your atar. If you want to do something maths related in uni like engineering, computer science, actuarial studies, or you want to get into medicine or law general maths won't really cut it for you even if you are the top 10 because the complexities of general math is really easy maths, the standard of it is just the yr 7-10 advanced maths course whereas in engineering & computer science you're expected to at least have an understanding of maths ext & above. without this 3u maths or 4u maths understanding you will find yourself having lots to catch up on in uni, more so if you don't do maths 2u instead of general maths.

but by all means if you're going to do teaching (atar around 70) or something... general maths won't really affect your ability to get the spots in the good unis lol. or if you're doing a uni course that doesn't require any knowledge of maths and a 90+ atar then if you like you can pick up general maths. but be warned: a general math understanding will get you nowhere if you decide to switch to courses in uni that require a strong math understanding. as the maths 2u, 3u & 4u are geared for those who are pursuing maths in higher education after the hsc (i.e. in uni with courses I outlined above).

plus over your lifetime you might have a really different career change from this to that, and understanding calculus may be of help in that field. Something that general maths does not offer lol

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yep maths only gets harder, and new topics you learnt are based on your previous knowledge in year 11, some in year 10 even

11. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by nifkeh
hey Triage... what year are you in? Are you in year 10 selecting subjects for prelims?

but yeah, general maths.. is lol. sorry. it's just year 7-10 maths, it's not even offered at my school. Plus even if you got state ranking in it you won't get a 100 HSC mark after scaling in your atar. If you want to do something maths related in uni like engineering, computer science, actuarial studies, or you want to get into medicine or law general maths won't really cut it for you even if you are the top 10 because the complexities of general math is really easy maths, the standard of it is just the yr 7-10 advanced maths course whereas in engineering & computer science you're expected to at least have an understanding of maths ext & above. without this 3u maths or 4u maths understanding you will find yourself having lots to catch up on in uni, more so if you don't do maths 2u instead of general maths.

but by all means if you're going to do teaching (atar around 70) or something... general maths won't really affect your ability to get the spots in the good unis lol. or if you're doing a uni course that doesn't require any knowledge of maths and a 90+ atar then if you like you can pick up general maths. but be warned: a general math understanding will get you nowhere if you decide to switch to courses in uni that require a strong math understanding. as the maths 2u, 3u & 4u are geared for those who are pursuing maths in higher education after the hsc (i.e. in uni with courses I outlined above).

plus over your lifetime you might have a really different career change from this to that, and understanding calculus may be of help in that field. Something that general maths does not offer lol
Slagging off teaching. Not cool mate. You do realise that there are people called Maths Teachers, many who can teach Extension 2 right?

12. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

I asked an ex year 12 at my school on how they choose people for 4u maths, in my school anyone could do 4u maths without a mark cutoff or max number of people cutoff. But in your school that's how it works unfortunately. but it won't be 70% or over in every school, because evidently in my school they don't bar anyone from doing it.

and yeah you are spending too much time for maths.. I am in year 11 too and frankly it's not that much harder from year 10 maths yet.

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yep I do, but I meant like teaching something not related to maths. anyways to become a maths teacher you will need to have studied maths in uni, as with a science teacher, having a degree in one of the sciences

but maths general isn't maths for higher education. I read it in the newspaper the other day, they said lots of people are taking maths 2u, 3u, and 4u but aren't really studying maths in uni so they might be considering changing up the course a bit to make it for those who want to do maths but aren't actually pursuing it for higher education studies in maths

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And there is a shortage of Maths teachers across NSW... but to persue a degree in education (a basic teacher) you need an atar of ~70, that's not for actually getting a maths degree in a uni in order to be qualified to teach maths well.

15. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
I can't judge yet really my potential success in 3u. I believe I am strong in maths and probably rank around 5/150 in a 20ish ranking school.
With those results in year 10, you are destined for 4u my friend.

16. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by 2xL
With those results in year 10, you are destined for 4u my friend.
But I get simple questions wrong sometimes.

17. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
But I get simple questions wrong sometimes.
I'm sure even the best 4 unit students make stupid errors on seemingly simple questions from time to time.

18. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
But I get simple questions wrong sometimes.
In my 3U test, I said that:

$\frac{80}{5} = 20$

Everyone gets simple questions wrong sometimes.

19. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by RealiseNothing
In my 3U test, I said that:

$\frac{80}{5} = 20$

Everyone gets simple questions wrong sometimes.
Thats just a silly mistake though. I got this wrong (1/(t^2+4t+3))-(1/(2t^2+6t))

20. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Originally Posted by Triage
Thats just a silly mistake though. I got this wrong (1/(t^2+4t+3))-(1/(2t^2+6t))
I got 65% of my half yearly wrong

21. ## Re: Year 11 subject selection HELP.

Do 3U! it's so fun! you can't get great marks without making mistakes!

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